geoffp Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Hi All (greetings from oz), The AVIC-HD3 (Z1 renamed in OZ) was released this month in Oz. I am picking up a new VW Jetta this week and am planning on getting the AVIC-HD3 installed. Found this forum today and am a bit dismayed to learn that the Z1 has been superseded by the Z2, meaning the HD3 (Z1) is actually outdated as well (I suppose). Is the Z2 update purely a firmware upgrade, or is there more involved (hardware & firmware) to the update? Can you firmware update the Z1 successfully to the Z2? Also, if anyone has the Z1 installed in a VW Jetta, how has it been. I have found that the cost of the install does go up a bit when you start adding in can bus interfaces, etc. Bit dismayed also to read the various issues ppl are having with the Z1. Makes me start thinking about maybe holding off on my purchase. Any and all info is greatly appreciated. Regards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigred Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Yes, it is mostly just a software update, and we are still awaiting the upgrade disks to be released. How do you know its not the same as a Z2 already (just with Aussie maps)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geoffp Posted July 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Yes, it is mostly just a software update, and we are still awaiting the upgrade disks to be released. How do you know its not the same as a Z2 already (just with Aussie maps)? Gday bigred, You know that's a good question. How can I tell if it is a Z2? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt23 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 geoffp, what year/model is your Jetta? is it a MkV? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geoffp Posted July 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 geoffp, what year/model is your Jetta? is it a MkV? yep, MKV (2007) model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt23 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 geoffp, what year/model is your Jetta? is it a MkV? yep, MKV (2007) model. well so far I like mine quite a bit. Sure it has its quirks, but nothing major. It did try to get me to do infinite u-turns the other day to get to a street that wasn't there. that was fun To get it working with your late MkV, you'll need to get the VSS signal from the CAN-BUS. There are at least two interfaces that I know of that can do that. The one I used might be on the market now (I have a beta unit) This install writeup I did for the vwvortex forums might be useful: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3275461 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geoffp Posted July 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 geoffp, what year/model is your Jetta? is it a MkV? yep, MKV (2007) model. well so far I like mine quite a bit. Sure it has its quirks, but nothing major. It did try to get me to do infinite u-turns the other day to get to a street that wasn't there. that was fun To get it working with your late MkV, you'll need to get the VSS signal from the CAN-BUS. There are at least two interfaces that I know of that can do that. The one I used might be on the market now (I have a beta unit) This install writeup I did for the vwvortex forums might be useful: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3275461 Hi Matt, I actually dropped into the suppliers (Autobarn) after work yesterday. They had just finished getting the demo wall with the AVIC up and running, so I had a bit of a play with it - seemed pretty darn good actually. Just have to digest the five mile thick manual The installers are using the Dietz CAN Bus interface for the steering wheel controls and another Dietz for the speed, plus another interface for the rest of the car. Also getting a car alarm installed, that requires yet another CAN Bus interface. Will run out of space under the dash I think... Install is either happening this Friday (if I get the car on Thursday), or next week. Will let you know how it turns out. Is there anyway to tell if the AVIC-HD3 is the Z1 or Z2? Would be nice to know. Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geoffp Posted July 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Ugh, car delivery delayed until next Tuesday. AVIC going in the next day with full integration via 2 or 3 CAN bus interfaces. Looking forward to it - great birthday present. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwq Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Hi All (greetings from oz),The AVIC-HD3 (Z1 renamed in OZ) was released this month in Oz. I am picking up a new VW Jetta this week and am planning on getting the AVIC-HD3 installed. Found this forum today and am a bit dismayed to learn that the Z1 has been superseded by the Z2, meaning the HD3 (Z1) is actually outdated as well (I suppose). Is the Z2 update purely a firmware upgrade, or is there more involved (hardware & firmware) to the update? Can you firmware update the Z1 successfully to the Z2? Also, if anyone has the Z1 installed in a VW Jetta, how has it been. I have found that the cost of the install does go up a bit when you start adding in can bus interfaces, etc. Bit dismayed also to read the various issues ppl are having with the Z1. Makes me start thinking about maybe holding off on my purchase. Any and all info is greatly appreciated. Regards. Hi, Actually, the Z1 is equal to the HD1, and the Z2 is equal to the HD3 (more or less, apart from the radio part) The HD1 can be updated to the HD3 using the 700HD update ( 2 DVD's) that update the map database and the system software. I just completed this on my HD1BT, and this works fine. I now have the TeleAtlas 2007 maps (for Europe) and the HD3 software..(bluetooth echo problem finally seems realy solved now as well...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geoffp Posted July 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Hi, Actually, the Z1 is equal to the HD1, and the Z2 is equal to the HD3 (more or less, apart from the radio part) The HD1 can be updated to the HD3 using the 700HD update ( 2 DVD's) that update the map database and the system software. I just completed this on my HD1BT, and this works fine. I now have the TeleAtlas 2007 maps (for Europe) and the HD3 software..(bluetooth echo problem finally seems realy solved now as well...) Hi jwq, That is good news. I was hoping the HD3 was the same (or close to it) as the Z2. What is the difference with the radio? Was also reading about the bluetooth echo problems, so I will definitely be checking that once I pair my phone to the AVIC. Thanks very much for the info, much appreciated. Regards, Geoff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwq Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 [quote name="geoffpHi jwq' date=' That is good news. I was hoping the HD3 was the same (or close to it) as the Z2. What is the difference with the radio? Was also reading about the bluetooth echo problems, so I will definitely be checking that once I pair my phone to the AVIC. Thanks very much for the info, much appreciated. Regards, Geoff.[/quote] On the European versions (HD1/HD2) you get inbuilt FM/AM receivers with RDS and all the options like categories, radiotext and TMC trafic navigation. The US versions I understand do not have this, but need to use the satelite radio tuner for XM trafic info etc. ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geoffp Posted July 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 I see. Unfortunately Oz doesn't have (at least I'm not aware of it) traffic congestion information available via anything - RDS we do have, radiotext - no idea what that is. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Redrox Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 The installers are using the Dietz CAN Bus interface for the steering wheel controls and another Dietz for the speed, plus another interface for the rest of the car. Also getting a car alarm installed, that requires yet another CAN Bus interface. I looked up the Dietz CAN bus interfaces and they seem to be really good. But it doesn't look like they support Pioneer HUs ?? http://www.dietz.biz/ENG/000000965c0e2c051/index.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geoffp Posted July 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 The installers are using the Dietz CAN Bus interface for the steering wheel controls and another Dietz for the speed, plus another interface for the rest of the car. Also getting a car alarm installed, that requires yet another CAN Bus interface. I looked up the Dietz CAN bus interfaces and they seem to be really good. But it doesn't look like they support Pioneer HUs ?? http://www.dietz.biz/ENG/000000965c0e2c051/index.html Excuse my ignorance, what is a Pioneer HU? Also, talking with a couple of people today on the phone in the car, and they said they got a lot of echo. Was trying to find in the menu structure where I could set the bluetooth to only come out of the left or right speakers, couldn't find it though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwq Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 The installers are using the Dietz CAN Bus interface for the steering wheel controls and another Dietz for the speed, plus another interface for the rest of the car. Also getting a car alarm installed, that requires yet another CAN Bus interface. I looked up the Dietz CAN bus interfaces and they seem to be really good. But it doesn't look like they support Pioneer HUs ?? http://www.dietz.biz/ENG/000000965c0e2c051/index.html I just looked on the Pioneer site, and it seems you can also get an original Pioneer adapter that supplies all the required signals of the CAN bus: Pioneer adapters ALL with steering control 2002 > CAN ALL models with quad-lock (Fakra) connector behind OE unit incl. Speedpulse, Reverse Gear, Illumination signals CA-R-PI.221 V2 Manual CA-R-PI221 V1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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