Posted May 24, 2006 · 19:11 UTC#51
Z1 HDD format
Posted May 24, 2006 · 22:58 UTC#52
Hello,
Just picked up a Z1 today going to be installing it tonight. Anyway I would love to be able to pull the drive and put a larger one much like I have done to xboxs and Tivos for ppl.
So just curious if anyone has had any luck yet cracking the password.
Just picked up a Z1 today going to be installing it tonight. Anyway I would love to be able to pull the drive and put a larger one much like I have done to xboxs and Tivos for ppl.
So just curious if anyone has had any luck yet cracking the password.
Posted May 25, 2006 · 02:24 UTC#53
06PSDDually,
It was just a joke. It's not like I wake up every morning and have a mission to read everybody's posts just to find errors. We're all human, we all make mistakes. I didn't mean to insult you. I too would love to load this thing with 20gigs of MP3s but like edrock200 said, that's only gonna happen if we can migrate our 30gig HDD to a bigger one.
It was just a joke. It's not like I wake up every morning and have a mission to read everybody's posts just to find errors. We're all human, we all make mistakes. I didn't mean to insult you. I too would love to load this thing with 20gigs of MP3s but like edrock200 said, that's only gonna happen if we can migrate our 30gig HDD to a bigger one.
Posted May 25, 2006 · 08:27 UTC#54
forget the xbox its not going to work, anything the xbox can do with the drive a PC can so the software would exist on the pc too, the passwords on the xbox are sniffable and can be regenerated.
swap the powered up drives ith a pc, use a modded ide cable to split power.
swap the powered up drives ith a pc, use a modded ide cable to split power.
Posted May 25, 2006 · 16:35 UTC#55
murzik said:http://www.vogon-forensic-hardware.co.uk/forensic-hardware/data-capture/password-cracker-pod.htm
anyone wanna try this?
also i found a website that might be able to help us out, if u have a hdd that u can send to them or simply ask them to post a request to see if anyone is able to get the z1 hdd to copy or read. http://www.hackaday.com/
Posted May 30, 2006 · 19:00 UTC#56
Does anyone know what exact model hard drive is in the unit?
I think I recall reading that it was a toshiba drive. If thats the case, they do have some backdoor passwords that toshiba uses to unlock drives. But, it depends on the model.
I think I recall reading that it was a toshiba drive. If thats the case, they do have some backdoor passwords that toshiba uses to unlock drives. But, it depends on the model.
Posted May 31, 2006 · 17:09 UTC#57
docluv01 said:Does anyone know what exact model hard drive is in the unit?
I think I recall reading that it was a toshiba drive. If thats the case, they do have some backdoor passwords that toshiba uses to unlock drives. But, it depends on the model.
It is, I don't recall the exact model but I tried the default passwords I could find. Do you have a list of passwords?
What I can tell you is if you remove your HDD and install a new, blank drive the Z1 will lock it for you. I suspect the following:
If you need to order a new HDD from pioneer they will send one that is unlocked and preloaded or is locked with a default password.
When you install the drive, the Z1 will either perform the initial lock (if unlocked) or use the existing password to unlock and change the drive password to whatever your Z1 uses.
I suspect it does this so it can use a custom password for each Z1 instead of one generic password for all units.
Posted Jun 02, 2006 · 15:26 UTC#58
this is what I think, if enough people complain about not being able to upgrade the HDD, pioneer will release a firmware that allows you to copy HDD or at least a factory upgrade option.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/c ... 15,00.html
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/c ... 15,00.html
Posted Jun 02, 2006 · 15:31 UTC#59
murzik said:http://www.vogon-forensic-hardware.co.uk/forensic-hardware/data-capture/password-cracker-pod.htm
where can i get one of this, and also didn't someone mention it is unix based? this thing is windows based, so even if it is cracked, how do you access files in windows?
Posted Jun 02, 2006 · 18:00 UTC#60
toy said:this is what I think, if enough people complain about not being able to upgrade the HDD, pioneer will release a firmware that allows you to copy HDD or at least a factory upgrade option.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/c ... 15,00.html
Unfortunately I doubt this will ever happen. Pioneer won't deal with the support nightmare of people hacking their HD's or the potential lawsuites that would follow. If this gets hacked it will be purely a home-brew operation. That being said, home-brew operations aren't necessarily bad, many develop into full blown apps that are as good as or better than their retail conterparts, for example XBMC.
Posted Jun 06, 2006 · 02:39 UTC#61
ya this is bullshit. all i wanna do is load my mp3s onto the harddrive. there has got to be some way.
what a stupid ass way to go about loading the harddrive pioneer chose. copys the music at 4x speed. F that.
should just have a simple usb interface and just transfer them that way with a laptop or better yet wirelessly.
what a stupid ass way to go about loading the harddrive pioneer chose. copys the music at 4x speed. F that.
should just have a simple usb interface and just transfer them that way with a laptop or better yet wirelessly.
Posted Jun 06, 2006 · 17:43 UTC#62
Im sure everyone on this board concurs...
Also, have u noticed that the soudn quality of the "recorded" songs sound liek crap. the manual claims its 128k, but stil sounds like sh**. you lose all crispness. if i play a audio cd, or even an mp3 cd for that matter, sounds a LOT better.
Also, have u noticed that the soudn quality of the "recorded" songs sound liek crap. the manual claims its 128k, but stil sounds like sh**. you lose all crispness. if i play a audio cd, or even an mp3 cd for that matter, sounds a LOT better.
Posted Jun 06, 2006 · 19:05 UTC#63
docluv01 said:Im sure everyone on this board concurs...
Also, have u noticed that the soudn quality of the "recorded" songs sound liek crap. the manual claims its 128k, but stil sounds like sh**. you lose all crispness. if i play a audio cd, or even an mp3 cd for that matter, sounds a LOT better.
I haven't used it much so I can't comment on sound clarity but there are two very lacking features that surprised me:
1. The inability to copy MP3s to the hard drive off of data CD's and DVD's
2. The inability to play MP3's of DVD-R/+R's (I use the Roxio workaround)
Posted Jun 06, 2006 · 23:22 UTC#64
with roxio you gotta rip them in wav format essentially though right? like an audio dvd?
lemme ask this... if you throw in an audio dvd, does it still utlilize the same way to search thru songs with folders and all the same as it would with songs on the actual hdd.
lemme ask this... if you throw in an audio dvd, does it still utlilize the same way to search thru songs with folders and all the same as it would with songs on the actual hdd.
Posted Jun 07, 2006 · 01:08 UTC#65
gerard143 said:with roxio you gotta rip them in wav format essentially though right? like an audio dvd?
lemme ask this... if you throw in an audio dvd, does it still utlilize the same way to search thru songs with folders and all the same as it would with songs on the actual hdd.
Not quit it converts it to a dvd-video disc.
Posted Jun 07, 2006 · 13:19 UTC#66
I tried to go the Roxio audio-DVD route and I found the menus very annoying. The album art looked like crap and the text was very tiny and hard to read. Is there a way to change the text size and menu quality?
Posted Jun 07, 2006 · 15:18 UTC#67
palacios said:I tried to go the Roxio audio-DVD route and I found the menus very annoying. The album art looked like crap and the text was very tiny and hard to read. Is there a way to change the text size and menu quality?
I believe you can change the font. I can't remember which theme I used but I found the font to be very legible. Try some of the other themes.
Posted Jul 02, 2006 · 16:53 UTC#68
Hey guys, back to the original issue. I know people have tried cloning the hard drive using software, but has anyone tried cloning using hardware? I work in IT and we happen to have a hard drive duplicator for use when we want to make a quick dupe of a hard drive.
Something like this:
http://www.digital-loggers.com/128u.html
Would this not just dupe the entire thing? Hard drive lock and all?
I'm looking to make a couple backup's of the z1 drive so that I don't have to go through hell if the hard drive craps out on me. Just swap...
Something like this:
http://www.digital-loggers.com/128u.html
Would this not just dupe the entire thing? Hard drive lock and all?
I'm looking to make a couple backup's of the z1 drive so that I don't have to go through hell if the hard drive craps out on me. Just swap...
Posted Jul 03, 2006 · 04:28 UTC#69
emerald_phoenix said:Hey guys, back to the original issue. I know people have tried cloning the hard drive using software, but has anyone tried cloning using hardware? I work in IT and we happen to have a hard drive duplicator for use when we want to make a quick dupe of a hard drive.
Something like this:
http://www.digital-loggers.com/128u.html
Would this not just dupe the entire thing? Hard drive lock and all?
I'm looking to make a couple backup's of the z1 drive so that I don't have to go through hell if the hard drive craps out on me. Just swap...
It shouldn't work but please give it a try if you have one. The ATA lock is supposed to intercept and stop all data access to the drive platters regardless of hardware or software used.
Posted Jul 15, 2006 · 16:20 UTC#70
has anybody tried inserting a blank and newly formatted hdd? The slash memory may be able to write new partitions
Posted Jul 17, 2006 · 14:47 UTC#71
z1fan said:has anybody tried inserting a blank and newly formatted hdd? The slash memory may be able to write new partitions
Doubtfull if this will work. I bet the Z1 looks for specific data/partitions to be present on the HD before it asumes it is a valid drive. Also, "formatting" is not a good idea as we do not know exactly what the format is. If anyone wants to do a test they can low-level format (zero out) a drive and try it but again, I seriousely doubt this will work.
We need to unlock the drive, copy the data/partitions to an image file (Ghost, Aronis,etc) and then dump the data onto a larger HD. If the partitions, filesystem and OS are windows compatible it should also be possible to strech the 10GB partition to about 80-90GB on a 100-120GB drive while still leaving the 20GB for the map data intact. Inserting an unlocked drive (that allows locking) but was properly formatted and partitioned with the original map data MIGHT just work...
Posted Jul 18, 2006 · 01:19 UTC#72
SemoTech said:z1fan said:has anybody tried inserting a blank and newly formatted hdd? The slash memory may be able to write new partitions
Doubtfull if this will work. I bet the Z1 looks for specific data/partitions to be present on the HD before it asumes it is a valid drive. Also, "formatting" is not a good idea as we do not know exactly what the format is. If anyone wants to do a test they can low-level format (zero out) a drive and try it but again, I seriousely doubt this will work.
We need to unlock the drive, copy the data/partitions to an image file (Ghost, Aronis,etc) and then dump the data onto a larger HD. If the partitions, filesystem and OS are windows compatible it should also be possible to strech the 10GB partition to about 80-90GB on a 100-120GB drive while still leaving the 20GB for the map data intact. Inserting an unlocked drive (that allows locking) but was properly formatted and partitioned with the original map data MIGHT just work...
Semo,
All of this has already been done. The problem we are experiencing is my Z1 so far has been the only one to accept the larger drive for more than 15 min.
Read the sticky on at the top of the this section on HDD for more info.
Posted Jul 18, 2006 · 17:27 UTC#73
My bad, reading in order of activity and did not get the FAQ you made till after replying to this.
Questions:
1. Have you tried to enlarge the MSV FAT32 Partition beyond the 32GB limit? Did it work?
2. Is it possible that the reason Ducatiboy's HD is crashing is due to the way locking and unlocking is handled? I've seen a lot of drives that do not support locking features causing some grief. While I see that you recomend disabling the security features, maybe it is worth a shot not to and let the Z1 happily lock and unlock the drive...
3. How large is the compressed image (Ghost or Acronis) of the original drive you made?
Thanks.
Questions:
1. Have you tried to enlarge the MSV FAT32 Partition beyond the 32GB limit? Did it work?
2. Is it possible that the reason Ducatiboy's HD is crashing is due to the way locking and unlocking is handled? I've seen a lot of drives that do not support locking features causing some grief. While I see that you recomend disabling the security features, maybe it is worth a shot not to and let the Z1 happily lock and unlock the drive...
3. How large is the compressed image (Ghost or Acronis) of the original drive you made?
Thanks.
Posted Jul 18, 2006 · 17:55 UTC#74
I've run into the same problems as Ducati...
Runs for 5 or more minutes, then the system stops responding to any of the buttons (or even the screen for that matter)
Formatting > 32gb is possible, I have a 70GB partition on a 100gb laptop drive I purchased
Runs for 5 or more minutes, then the system stops responding to any of the buttons (or even the screen for that matter)
Formatting > 32gb is possible, I have a 70GB partition on a 100gb laptop drive I purchased
Posted Jul 19, 2006 · 04:03 UTC#75
I'm thinking the problem is more along the lines of the cluster size and root-directory size used when restoring the partition images.
Pulp_Fiction may have gotten lucky with a conservative FAT32 formatting scheme; while the others (unknowingly) had their partitioning software use larger clusters to accomodate the larger partition sizes requested.
I should have the rest of my gear ready in another week or two, and hopefully I'll be able to reproduce Pulp_Fiction's results soon. If things go as well as I hope, I'll have my unit's ATA Passwords sniffed out so I can just focus on programming new apps for these things. :-)
Pulp_Fiction may have gotten lucky with a conservative FAT32 formatting scheme; while the others (unknowingly) had their partitioning software use larger clusters to accomodate the larger partition sizes requested.
I should have the rest of my gear ready in another week or two, and hopefully I'll be able to reproduce Pulp_Fiction's results soon. If things go as well as I hope, I'll have my unit's ATA Passwords sniffed out so I can just focus on programming new apps for these things. :-)