The reason most of us are here comes from the same attitude: Everything has to be cheaper, so companys outscource whatever they can. So did Pioneer with the programmng of the AVIC. Unfortunately a Chinese or Indian programmer who has never had a car, not to speak about a navi unit, would never be able to program a system that meets the requirements of industralized coutries in Europe and the US.

 

 

Thats truth as its written. And its a big mistage of managers to do development or at least project management to those countries. They dont care about that and have no idea what is important to get. and because of that we get a 2D North UP systems

Its just sad that pioneer a company with so much reputation does not care about it as it did before.

Of course the navigation part was written in Europe, and iGO is probably the most popular navigation software in the world (top 3 definitely)... and they never designed 2D mode to be used for anything other than route overview. That's why there is a setting to switch to auto-magnified 3D when nearing a maneuver...

The reason most of us are here comes from the same attitude: Everything has to be cheaper, so companys outscource whatever they can. So did Pioneer with the programmng of the AVIC. Unfortunately a Chinese or Indian programmer who has never had a car, not to speak about a navi unit, would never be able to program a system that meets the requirements of industralized coutries in Europe and the US.

 

 

Thats truth as its written. And its a big mistage of managers to do development or at least project management to those countries. They dont care about that and have no idea what is important to get. and because of that we get a 2D North UP systems

Its just sad that pioneer a company with so much reputation does not care about it as it did before.

 

Of course the navigation part was written in Europe, and iGO is probably the most popular navigation software in the world (top 3 definitely)... and they never designed 2D mode to be used for anything other than route overview. That's why there is a setting to switch to auto-magnified 3D when nearing a maneuver...

To be honest: North up is not really an issue for me personally, over here in Germany we call direction up the "Ladies setting" as mostly women turn maps direction up and have problems with left and right on north up. I don't want to offend anybody, but that's a fact which was set way back in the evolution. I would go crazy if the Map would turn around all the time and I would loose orientation, that is whiy all papermaps in the world are north up.

My major issue is the telephone pop up which blocks the system so you have no chance to tell the person calling your eta or enter a new destination given to you over the phone

Well, as long as they add the North up and pausing the music when a phone call is made, i'll be happy.

RE: Feature and Specification|B00002|2105559876 [#1252276]â€

From: [email protected]

Sent: Tue 6/09/09 5:34 PM

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc. Update map is scheduled to release this fall.

Thank You,

Kathy

Customer Service Representative

--Original Message--From: [email protected]

Date: 06/07/09

To: [email protected]

Subject: Feature and Specification|B00002|2105559876[#1252276] Email:[email protected]

Inquiry Type:Feature and Specificationlst

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Inquiry:i was just wondering, i've heard many rumors of a firmware 3.0 update for avic-f700bt series as well as the other avic-f series nav systems. Is there any clue on when this will be coming out and if this will have up-to-date maps. I have 2008 maps, but they do not even include my house which is in a new subdivison on the map. Road doesn't exist on the maps

According to Kathy at customer service update is coming out in the FALL

lol customer service is always the last to know. I don't know about Pioneer, but alot of those customer service centers are overseas in India and stuff. That's like emailing Apple's help line before WWDC and asking them about how much the new iPhone was gonna be... no way they are gonna know!

I sent them an email today to. We'll see what they have to say about the 3.0 update.

RE: Feature and Specification|B00002|2105559876 [#1252276]â€

From: [email protected]

Sent: Tue 6/09/09 5:34 PM

To: [email protected]

 

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc. Update map is scheduled to release this fall.

 

Thank You,

Kathy

Customer Service Representative

According to Kathy at customer service update is coming out in the FALL

Infos i got from Pioneer today:

 

The Update will be available in July

 

It will be a customized IGO 8.3

 

They are working on a further Firmware update but no ETA yet

 

Jörg

This fall or juli

RE: Feature and Specification|B00002|2105559876 [#1252276]â€

From: [email protected]

Sent: Tue 6/09/09 5:34 PM

To: [email protected]

 

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc. Update map is scheduled to release this fall.

 

Thank You,

Kathy

Customer Service Representative

According to Kathy at customer service update is coming out in the FALL

Infos i got from Pioneer today:

 

The Update will be available in July

 

It will be a customized IGO 8.3

 

They are working on a further Firmware update but no ETA yet

 

Jörg

 

This fall or juli

I was told July, but that's for Europe

Here is what a rep told me through email;

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.

Scheduled to release late Summer, early Fall.

Thank You,

Kathy

Customer Service Representative

--Original Message--

From: ----------------------

Date: 06/09/09

To: [email protected]

Subject: Feature and Specification|A00001|2142936585[#1252747]

Inquiry Type:Feature and Specification

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Inquiry:Are there any plans on releasing a 3.0 update for the F90bt series dvd navigation radio? The software is very bugging and cuts off the last 2seconds when playing songs from the sd card. Also a rep informed me that the map update would be released this summer, is this true>

Here is what a rep told me through email;

 

 

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.

 

Scheduled to release late Summer, early Fall.

 

 

Thank You,

 

Kathy

Customer Service Representative

 

--Original Message--

From: ----------------------

Date: 06/09/09

To: [email protected]

Subject: Feature and Specification|A00001|2142936585[#1252747]

 

 

Inquiry Type:Feature and Specification

lstPublishers:0002

lstTitles:A00001

Inquiry:Are there any plans on releasing a 3.0 update for the F90bt series dvd navigation radio? The software is very bugging and cuts off the last 2seconds when playing songs from the sd card. Also a rep informed me that the map update would be released this summer, is this true>

Typical Pioneer answer: Does she talk about 3.0 or the Map update? I'm sure it's the Map update so we still have no info about 3.0

The pioneer rep keeps beating around the bush. This is what she had to say;

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.

The map update will include the firmware update.

Thank You,

Kathy

Customer Service Representative

--Original Message--

From: ---------------------------

Date: 06/11/09

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: Feature and Specification|A00001|2142936585 [#1252747]

Is the map update or firmware update scheduled for release late summer, early Fall? Or will it be both? The answer provided was not very detailed.

Gents,

Not sure if this helps anything at all, but I called cust support today to ask about feature capabilities in regards to the Sirius section, the date of the maps, as well as a couple of Bluetooth questions on my brand new f90.

The rep on the phone said that a major firmware update will be coming to the support people in July. This will be in conjunction with the launch of the new products. I asked if this firmware would be backwards compatible to the f90 I just purchased, and he said yes. He said even though they'd be getting stuff in July, he couldn't say yet when the new firmware update would be avail to the public. He did reassure me that my f90 would still be supported with new updates even with the new models coming out. He did say that the update expected to be a massive upgrade.

Hopefully his claims will be correct and not just telling me what I wanted to hear! I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed...as I'm looking for new functions in everything that hasn't been modded on here, i.e. all the non-nav stuff. Like, give me the dial paid during a phone call, better EQ capabilities, and better sat radio support.

Cheers!

The pioneer rep keeps beating around the bush. This is what she had to say;

 

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.

 

 

The map update will include the firmware update.

 

Thank You,

 

Kathy

Customer Service Representative

 

--Original Message--

From: ---------------------------

Date: 06/11/09

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: Feature and Specification|A00001|2142936585 [#1252747]

 

Is the map update or firmware update scheduled for release late summer, early Fall? Or will it be both? The answer provided was not very detailed.

That would be bad, 1) you have to pay for it 2) it only deals with the screen and the Nav, not with Bluetooth, contact lists and other bugs

i am optimistic about 3.0 since it is the same used for the new products. i think they prob did do a lot to fix the bugs with the unit so they don't have a f-series disaster repeat. It probably really hurt their sells so they probably won't do it again. anyone else think the 3.0 will be significant?

I am pretty much hanging on to my f700 waiting for 3.0, I like it but the long boot time and the buggy bluetooth, and the voice commands that do not work. I am hoping 3.0 can make an improvement otherwise I am going back to alpine, it wasnt as feature rich but what was there, worked.

I havent visited here in a while, but even after the long wait to the fall, it is promising to hear that Pioneer is still supporting the unit with major updates. No matter how late they are. IGO 8.3 and new maps is definitely worth $100. Any speedup of the system is an added bonus with update 3.0

Here in Australia we were given a free offer of a map update that is due in August 2009 when we purchased the F900BT. I still have the form here in PDF format.

Copied directly:

Buy a Pioneer AVIC-F500BT or AVIC-F900BT navigation unit between 15th November 2008 and 31st July 2009 or until stocks run out and receive the 2009 Map Upgrade FREE.To redeem this offer, send in this redemption form with your proof of purchase to Pioneer P.O. Box 295, Mordialloc, Victoria 3195 before 31st August 2009.Your details will be entered into our FREE Map Upgrade Database. When we receive the Upgrade in August 2009, we will send it out to you. This release date is subject to change.

Here in Australia we were given a free offer of a map update that is due in August 2009 when we purchased the F900BT. I still have the form here in PDF format.

 

Copied directly:

 

Buy a Pioneer AVIC-F500BT or AVIC-F900BT navigation unit between 15th November 2008 and 31st July 2009 or until stocks run out and receive the 2009 Map Upgrade FREE.To redeem this offer, send in this redemption form with your proof of purchase to Pioneer P.O. Box 295, Mordialloc, Victoria 3195 before 31st August 2009.Your details will be entered into our FREE Map Upgrade Database. When we receive the Upgrade in August 2009, we will send it out to you. This release date is subject to change.

UK users got a free iPod Touch under a simalar promotion. Prefered that.

how much more can the maps be upgraded/improved? is there that many changes in a couple years?

i hope the update also fixes the bugs with the msn direct taking forever to load or give accurate info, if so ill buy the suscription

hopefully an promotion will be here in europe as well ...

how much more can the maps be upgraded/improved? is there that many changes in a couple years?

i hope the update also fixes the bugs with the msn direct taking forever to load or give accurate info, if so ill buy the suscription

It is not so much the Maps, it is the Firmware and new Navi software that comes with the Map Update.

And Yes: Here in Europe a couple of years make a huge difference: One way streets change direction, Streets get converted into pedestrian areas or complete new highways get constructed to avoid urban areas.

I had the chance to look at the 2009.02 maps and in my area they make a huge difference to the stock maps

Jörg

I agree with that, the maps aren't a problem, I'm already running the newest ones, but igo 8.3 is much nicer then 8.0, although 8.3 is buggy too, for example it crashes when navigating on kml poi.

I emailed pioneer benelux, they responded that the update is expected end of june/beginning of july, they don't know a price yet, that is to be determined. And if a want a free update or a discount they can't help me, i should go to my retailer... Yeah right...

I'm so frustrated to see an industry giant pioneer is playing the usual dirty market tricks on people. I baught my F900BT winter 2008 from UK for a big 600£. Then I watched my waste of money through aging maps, EU units lacking voice commands, Sh..ty parrot bluetooth module not being able to connect to new phones, lagging screen key presses, jumpy radio preset, trimmed mp3 playing etc. etc.

Then I witnessed trying to get rid of their stocks by selling these crap units to more naive people through campaigns of Ipod touch, free installation, free maps etc. And their latest 2.0007 firmware is disabling the ability to manually boot into the drive through TEST Mode and update the maps.

To cuyt it short;

1- Pioneer has built buggy and faulty devices and we bought them

2- Unsold items are being dumped to other poor people

3- An update of IGO and a proper parrot bluetooth kit installed to the exact units with seperate circuit boards for audio and maps and they call this "The X series"

4-They kill the TEST mode through code to make sure people keep paying Pioneer for future updates. I wouldn't mind paying them if they were honest and fair but since they aren't I won't be either.

I'll be paying Leetcoder when his Launcher works fine with EU units since he has been more devoted and keen on making the AVIC owners happy with their unit and without charging a 600£ as Pioneer does.

The final verdict : See how Nokia has lost the market to Apple. Apple does not create different models every week but they concentrate on perfecting their units. Nokia disregards user complaints but Apple listens. Now the pioneer is falling into the same trick and I'll not be suprised to see them drawing back from car entertainment production as they have done with Kuro Plasmas.

Over & out.

im not gonna try it ( never know what it does to my avic ) but i saw the map update already on torrent site, could i t be true that pioneer already sell does

well the linked didnt work ...

3- An update of IGO and a proper parrot bluetooth kit installed to the exact units with seperate circuit boards for audio and maps and they call this "The X series"

Are they really different circuit boards?

From the X910 manual, this is the exact same damn hardware with iGo 8.3.

No A2DP, no pause iPod on incoming call.

Nothing else is different from my inspection.