Sadly, the useless iPod navigation system remains. Why can't we use the knob to browse the iPod? Using the touch screen is frustrating and non-intuitive (although a bit less frustrating now that the screen lag is fixed).

Voice should be your primary iPod navigation system anyway.

I do use the knob, but just to tell it what I want to hear.

There's no other good way to select from the thousands and thousands of songs you have on there while driving safely.

I'd like to see larger scan boxes for the touch areas, as my passengers hate poking for that 1x1cm spot to skip to the next song.

Sadly, the useless iPod navigation system remains. Why can't we use the knob to browse the iPod? Using the touch screen is frustrating and non-intuitive (although a bit less frustrating now that the screen lag is fixed).

 

Voice should be your primary iPod navigation system anyway.

 

I do use the knob, but just to tell it what I want to hear.

 

There's no other good way to select from the thousands and thousands of songs you have on there while driving safely.

 

I'd like to see larger scan boxes for the touch areas, as my passengers hate poking for that 1x1cm spot to skip to the next song.

Sadly Pioneer deciced that in the EU we weren't worthy of voice control.

Sadly, the useless iPod navigation system remains. Why can't we use the knob to browse the iPod? Using the touch screen is frustrating and non-intuitive (although a bit less frustrating now that the screen lag is fixed).

You want useless ipod navigation try the JVC AVX44, scrolling down one 6 entry page at a time by an impossible to hit touch screen area with no search, the AVIC is a joy compared to it.

I might be able to think of some more but I don't want to at this time. Even with these fault I think it is a pretty nice unit for the price I paid.

 

but that is the problem...some of us paid 1200 for our units, others paid 400. you might feel like you got a good deal but others, like tacomaboy, feel betrayed.

 

Had I paid 400 for the 900bt i would be upset but not betrayed, but I paid 900 bucks for this thing and for what? A shitty nav system, ipod problems, MSN that does not work and has not worked since the second week, and shitty bluetooth. Im sorry but that is unacceptable.

 

Yep thats my problem. I guess if I paid 400 bucks I wouldn't be too pissed, especially with all the reviews out there saying how bad it can be.

So really the issue isn't the performance of the unit, but your own individual shopping decision.

I followed the Twenty-second Law, but since I got a unit with 2.0 already installed, I guess I broke the Twenty Third law. Still, I paid what I thought was a fair price for it, and am happy with the unit. I'm predicting that I'll be happier when the 3.0 update gets to me.

honestly why do you guys need a rear camera... kill the kid that was running behind your car... evolution of the fittest

The term is "survival of the fittest". And since I'm in a cranky mood tonight, I think that you should also be aware of the following:

Why am I an moron if I advocate Social Darwinism?

Darwin's theory states that in any population there are variations within individuals. If, due to the interaction between the individuals and the environment, the variations in one subgroup of a population provide an advantage towards reproduction, those traits are more likely to be carried on to the next generation. Through subsequent generations, if those variations continue to be advantageous, those characteristics will become more common in the population as a whole.

That's all he says.

Darwin had no concept of genes or genetics at the time that he wrote The Origin of Species in 1863. Gregor Mendel was in the midst of doing his pea plant experiments at the time, but Mendel's work did not really come to light until the beginning of the 20th century, long after The Origin of Species was published.

Furthermore, Darwin does not say that this variation confers some sort of "superiority" to any group of individuals to others in the group, or implies a "fitness" to an individual's right to survive. This misapplication of Darwin's theories to society has caused a lot of trouble in the past, including the justification of the colonial system, laws that discriminate on the basis of race, and the Holocaust. In fact, the phrase "survival of the fittest" does not come from Darwin, but from one of his contemporaries, Herbert Spencer, one of the first "Social Darwinists", in an attempt to justify the colonial system, and the European domination of much of the rest of the world.

You can read Darwin's original work at this website. Nothing like looking at primary sources to show how much we all misunderstand other people's thoughts.

 

Yep thats my problem. I guess if I paid 400 bucks I wouldn't be too pissed, especially with all the reviews out there saying how bad it can be.

 

So really the issue isn't the performance of the unit, but your own individual shopping decision.

 

I followed the Twenty-second Law, but since I got a unit with 2.0 already installed, I guess I broke the Twenty Third law. Still, I paid what I thought was a fair price for it, and am happy with the unit. I'm predicting that I'll be happier when the 3.0 update gets to me.

Your leaps of logic are astounding. Firstly, the "laws" are for developers, not for consumers. Secondly, the fact that Pioneer broke both laws shows what poor performance they provided during P.D. Thirdly, yes, I clearly made a mistake with my shopping habits. Lesson learned. Never purchase from Pioneer, as they produce poor qualityproducts, and it takes over a year for them to devise a fix, which they intend to charge customers for. What ever was I thinking!? I should have known to not trust Pioneer!

Your logic fails when I simply point to the iPhone. Caveat Emptor, of course, however when one is burned by a company as badly as many of us were burned by Pioneer, its clearly the better decision to never trust Pioneer again. Its not so much the poorly made software that bothers me, mind you, but its the lack of decent support on Pioneers part that really gets me.

I have been on this forum a good while now, and Pioneer has yet to admit to any member that the software had any known issues. Each reported call to customer service yielded a dumbfounded response. Clearly these were fabricated lies by Pioneer, as they were surely aware of the problems (i.e. 2.0, and 3.0). But to ignore them for so long, fail to acknoweldge them when presse3d, and in the end, try to make MONEY from the bugs....

Take Microsoft's Xbox 360. Defective red ring of death. How did MS deal with it? FREE fixes, hardware updates for free and EXTENDING the warranty for FREE! Sure MS screwed the pooch, but they dealt with it in a reasonable manner. Pioneer could learn a thing or two...

apple screwed its first purchasers who bought the i phone. charging them extreme amounts of money then a couple of months dropping the price to 199. all they got was a 100 rebate.

this update better be worth the 60 i paid. but i have no loyalty to pioneer. whoever makes the best product is whom i will purchase from. i did a lot of research and th f series scored high. makes me wonder how much worse the other nav's were

Apple dropped the price from $599 to $399. Not to $199. They gave them back half the difference as a credit.

Sadly Pioneer deciced that in the EU we weren't worthy of voice control.

Wow, that was the selling point of the F90BT for me, can't believe they'd leave that out.

reading the above, I cannot help myself but add to it

Where is the world heading, when (once respected great) companies like Pioneer, Sony, Panasonic, etc cannot make a decent product.(own experience, always software/firmware bugs)

When will they learn that using cheap labor (obviously programmers) is a very short sighted approach to cost saving.

Product build of the Aussie F900bt I have is good, but the software is horrible (still 2.0, not a word about 3 yet at pioneer.com.au).

For $1800 AUD I have spent I expected something better than a typical buggy Microsoft product...

And charging us for their own mistakes, what a JOKE!

I am pretty much waiting to see if 3.0 improves my 700, if not it is going up for sale and I will go back to alpine. It is nice but I cannot live with the shortcomings.

today they installed my 3.0 with new map update. My dealer (in the netherlands) had it on stock.

I was pleasant surpised bij the changement. Nice looking screen and fast response. I've noticed that the phone screen was on the right now instead in the center. So when making a call, you can still see your ATA.

Also the sign on the highway are pleasent, althoug they take a lot of your screen.

I only made 2 trips so far, so when i used it more, i will post it here

For example, some people think 10Second reverse camera is ok. However, I get in the car and buckle. THEN I start the car, and put it into reverse. In a parking lot, with someone waiting for you to back out, 10 seconds is forever, even at home in the garage I have to sit there for 10 seconds picking my nose waiting for my camera to come on like some kind of tool. Count to 10 slowly, and imagine sitting there in your car. Now do it 3 or 4 times a day for a year. I want my 900 seconds of life back.

Then stop being so lazy and turn around and look out your window.

 

For example, some people think 10 Second reverse camera is ok. However, I get in the car and buckle. THEN I start the car, and put it into reverse. In a parking lot, with someone waiting for you to back out, 10 seconds is forever, even at home in the garage I have to sit there for 10 seconds picking my nose waiting for my camera to come on like some kind of tool. Count to 10 slowly, and imagine sitting there in your car. Now do it 3 or 4 times a day for a year. I want my 900 seconds of life back.

LOL......lets see........ in my estimate that really comes to approximately 10,400 seconds and if you count saturday and sunday it's about 14,560 seconds....... let me tell ya, If I had sat that long over the past year waiting to put my car in reverse I'd shoot myself in the head.......jeeeeeezzzz

For example, some people think 10Second reverse camera is ok. However, I get in the car and buckle. THEN I start the car, and put it into reverse. In a parking lot, with someone waiting for you to back out, 10 seconds is forever, even at home in the garage I have to sit there for 10 seconds picking my nose waiting for my camera to come on like some kind of tool. Count to 10 slowly, and imagine sitting there in your car. Now do it 3 or 4 times a day for a year. I want my 900 seconds of life back.

 

Then stop being so lazy and turn around and look out your window.

wow fix that quote, it looks like I am the one crying about a backup camera... lol