re: getting rid of nag screen
On 5.1 firmware (available for Z140 - but the application update portion can be applied to any unit upgraded to 2013/5.0 - I just applied to my Z130)
Navi.exe at offset BE9A4 (version 5.1):
change 05 00 00 0A to 00 00 A0 E1
update: just verified this is working
Which file are you modding? RenewalIFLib.dll?
On 5.1 firmware (available for Z140 - but the application update portion can be applied to any unit upgraded to 2013/5.0 - I just applied to my Z130)
at offset BE9A4 (version 5.1):
change 05 00 00 0A to 00 00 A0 E1
update: just verified this is working
And for those of us who haven't done the upgrade yet, can we make the mod to the file in the distribution before we install it?
Thanks. John
navi.exe - to get rid of nag screen… updated post
And for those of us who haven't done the upgrade yet, can we make the mod to the file in the distribution before we install it?
Thanks. John
it's theoretically possible to pre-mod the file, and use the update mechanism to deploy it..
You would need to edit the EU090APL.VER file which is a "manifest" of files included in the update(including maybe size, but crc32 i think). I recall posting what I discovered in some other threads long ago, but it's too much work when you can just redeploy the patched file through testmode or testmode script after you do the 2013 update, then the 5.1 update.
PS for the 5.1 update one can remove the TESTMODE.KEY and FIRMWARE folder, only leaving AVICZ110 folder with the application update, if you do not have the Z140, but some other upgraded system, say like z130,x930, etc). The testmode.key is for doing a ucom firmware update which only works on specific hardware model (z140), and the BT FW update is already 3.32 i think.
So after we upgrade the 130bt with 2013 firmware & map, how do I get the navi.exe out to hex edit it and to put it back?
I did this last year with 2012 but I forgot the procedure. Lol.
So after we upgrade the 130bt with 2013 firmware & map, how do I get the navi.exe out to hex edit it and to put it back?
I did this last year with 2012 but I forgot the procedure. Lol.
after you have 2013/5.0 installed,
get the 5.1 update from pioneer site for z140 and install that.
take the navi.exe from the 5.1 update, mod it, then put it on usb or sd with testmode.key, and use file maintenance (file manager) to copy over to your unit.
recall that if USER/PRG.FLG is present the unit is booting sw in USER/PRG1 instead of USER/PRG0
recall that you will need to delete target navi.exe before copying…
re: getting rid of nag screen
On 5.1 firmware (available for Z140 - but the application update portion can be applied to any unit upgraded to 2013/5.0 - I just applied to my Z130)
Are you saying - if 5.0 is installed, there is no need to update uCom?
Are you saying - if 5.0 is installed, there is no need to update uCom?
it's only for Z140 hardware - it's not tied to the application/platform software version 5.x, which can be applied to all 110 series
Thanks for the info Pionara.
I downloaded the 5.1 firmware update from their website. The instruction (from their website) said to copy the "AVICZ110" and "TESTMODE.KEY" into the SD card and proceed with the upgrade. There's also the folder "FIRMWARE" in the same zip file as well. Should I put that folder on the SD card as well? The instruction never say anything about that folder...I'm wondering what to do with it. Thanks.
navi.exe - to get rid of nag screen… updated post
it's theoretically possible to pre-mod the file, and use the update mechanism to deploy it..
You would need to edit the EU090APL.VER file which is a "manifest" of files included in the update(including maybe size, but crc32 i think). I recall posting what I discovered in some other threads long ago, but it's too much work when you can just redeploy the patched file through testmode or testmode script after you do the 2013 update, then the 5.1 update.
PS for the 5.1 update one can remove the TESTMODE.KEY and FIRMWARE folder, only leaving AVICZ110 folder with the application update, if you do not have the Z140, but some other upgraded system, say like z130,x930, etc). The testmode.key is for doing a ucom firmware update which only works on specific hardware model (z140), and the BT FW update is already 3.32 i think.
navi.exe - to get rid of nag screen… updated post
it's theoretically possible to pre-mod the file, and use the update mechanism to deploy it..
You would need to edit the EU090APL.VER file which is a "manifest" of files included in the update(including maybe size, but crc32 i think). I recall posting what I discovered in some other threads long ago, but it's too much work when you can just redeploy the patched file through testmode or testmode script after you do the 2013 update, then the 5.1 update.
PS for the 5.1 update one can remove the TESTMODE.KEY and FIRMWARE folder, only leaving AVICZ110 folder with the application update, if you do not have the Z140, but some other upgraded system, say like z130,x930, etc). The testmode.key is for doing a ucom firmware update which only works on specific hardware model (z140), and the BT FW update is already 3.32 i think.
Okay, all is good with the z130 ... 5.1 and no nag screen 
Pre-modding didn't work ... as you thought, the .VER file must have checksum info per file. The install made it a dozen or two files into the copy and then posted a failure. And the .VER file is a binary, so no idea how to read those numbers.
Removing FIRMWARE and TESTMODE.KEY worked fine ... no messages about uCOM ... just an app update.
I had to use my original TESTMODE.KEY file to get the file maintenance menu. The file distributed with the 5.1 firmware release just gives you a uCOM update screen.
I'm still not sure what App 5.1 gives you on a non-z140 ... None of the features listed in the instructions seemed to be there. The App version says 5.1 though.
Thanks guy. Going to give it a shot today.
after you have 2013/5.0 installed,
get the 5.1 update from pioneer site for z140 and install that.
take the navi.exe from the 5.1 update, mod it, then put it on usb or sd with testmode.key, and use file maintenance (file manager) to copy over to your unit.
recall that if USER/PRG.FLG is present the unit is booting sw in USER/PRG1 instead of USER/PRG0
recall that you will need to delete target navi.exe before copying…
Okay, all is good with the z130 ... 5.1 and no nag screen
......
I'm still not sure what App 5.1 gives you on a non-z140 ... None of the features listed in the instructions seemed to be there. The App version says 5.1 though.
I installed 5.0 on my ( Z110 updated to Z140) HU. Other than the nag screen, it seemed the same applications as Z140. Then I installed the 5.1 update (without pionara's patch). Well, for one thing it's a totally different iPod app. Even the icon in the audio source menu was new. Basically the App Radio interface - not the standard iPod screen. I totally lost access to my (wired) ipod which has worked for 4 yrs. I am using the original iPod cable CD-IU50 with no Lightning. Made sure it was correctly set as Wired in AV Settings. Nada. Do I have to switch to the CD-IU51 cable to retain the old iPod functionality? I don't feel like spending that much (CD-IU51 + Apple Lightning to 30 pin adapter).
So I reverted back to the origina (5.0) firmware in /USER/PRG0 by deleting PRG.FLG and I'm back to a working 5.0 (with the nag screen).
Pionara, could you please work-out your patch for the 5.0 NAVI for those of use wanting to retain the old iPod support? I don't know what the correct offset is in NAVI.exe. Thanks
Oh - also weird is the Wired/BT button in AV settings was labeld something like "FM Step"
Updated new map. Also updated to 5.1 without issue. Grabbed the navi.exe from prg1. Going to hack it in a few mins. Wish me luck
I installed 5.0 on my ( Z110 updated to Z140) HU. Other than the nag screen, it seemed the same applications as Z140. Then I installed the 5.1 update (without pionara's patch). Well, for one thing it's a totally different iPod app. Even the icon in the audio source menu was new. Basically the App Radio interface - not the standard iPod screen. I totally lost access to my (wired) ipod which has worked for 4 yrs. I am using the original iPod cable CD-IU50 with no Lightning. Made sure it was correctly set as Wired in AV Settings. Nada. Do I have to switch to the CD-IU51 cable to retain the old iPod functionality? I don't feel like spending that much (CD-IU51 + Apple Lightning to 30 pin adapter).
So I reverted back to the origina (5.0) firmware in /USER/PRG0 by deleting PRG.FLG and I'm back to a working 5.0 (with the nag screen).
Pionara, could you please work-out your patch for the 5.0 NAVI for those of use wanting to retain the old iPod support? I don't know what the correct offset is in NAVI.exe. Thanks
Oh - also weird is the Wired/BT button in AV settings was labeld something like "FM Step"
Through a few attempts, I found a patch offset that seems to work with v5.0. So those without Lightning cables can still have normal iPod control and Nag screen removal. No need to install 5.1 if you don't need or want that.
At offset BEBFC, change 05 00 00 0A -> 00 00 A0 E1
Maybe something went wrong when I installed 5.1, since the AV Settings/App Connection option is misslabeled FM Step. I have odd things like that happen before after an upgrade. The fix was to do a hard reset (disconnect battery). Didn't seem to help this time. No matter - there's nothing in 5.1 I care about anyway.
success!!! woot..woot!!! thanks Pionara. You rock man!!!
Through a few attempts, I found a patch offset that seems to work with v5.0. So those without Lightning cables can still have normal iPod control and Nag screen removal. No need to install 5.1 if you don't need or want that.
At offset BEBFC, change 05 00 00 0A -> 00 00 A0 E1
I have two questions:
1) Is the difference between 5.0 and 5.1 only with cabled iPods? Or does it affect bluetooth connected functionality too?
2) If you don't have a z140bh to get the firmware update, does this difference between 5.0 and 5.1 change?
I went 5.1 nonag, but I'll back up to 5.0 nonag now that RonS has figured it out, if there is a difference in functionality with my z130 that I don't want.
Thanks. John
I have two questions:
1) Is the difference between 5.0 and 5.1 only with cabled iPods? Or does it affect bluetooth connected functionality too?
2) If you don't have a z140bh to get the firmware update, does this difference between 5.0 and 5.1 change?
I went 5.1 nonag, but I'll back up to 5.0 nonag now that RonS has figured it out, if there is a difference in functionality with my z130 that I don't want.
Thanks. John
1) I only use my iTouch via cable. So I don't know about BT. I use BT for my Android phone. BTW, I do really think something went wrong on my 5.1 install, but the only reason I installed it was to use pionara's no nag patch - which I never did use because my iPod showed as grayed with BT conectivity and when set to wired it seemed to start the AppRadio application. Check out the installation instructions on Pioneer's web-site for more details on the changes between 5.0 and 5.1. This doc weems to indicate that a Lightning adapter is needed for wired iPod.
2) 5.0 seems to be the same features as 4.0 (maybe a few minor differences). You likely can switch between the two firmwares - toggling by adding or removing PRG.FLG in the /USER directory - using TestMode. That's what I did after finding my iPod was hosed.
You say you went from Z130 (CNSD-210FM aka ver 3.x) to the 2013 firmware (v 5.0). In doing that, v5.0 installed in one of the /USER/PRGn directories - overwriting whatever was there. Then, installing the 5.1 package probably overwrote the other PRGn firmware and flipped the PRG.FLG file. So you can go back to 5.0 by either copying an empty PRG.FLG to /USER is it doesn't already exist - or - deleting PRG.FLG if it does. This is safe and reversible because it doesn't modify and system files.
Once you settle on whether to use 5.0 or 5.1, then patch the no-nag.
Can someone pls point me to the 5.0 firmware download ? thx guys
Can someone pls point me to the 5.0 firmware download ? thx guys
Check out this thread -- 2013 USA/CAN Maps Download
What's Patch offset for 5.1.
It's done in navi.exe correct??
I installed 5.0 on my ( Z110 updated to Z140) HU. Other than the nag screen, it seemed the same applications as Z140. Then I installed the 5.1 update (without pionara's patch). Well, for one thing it's a totally different iPod app. Even the icon in the audio source menu was new. Basically the App Radio interface - not the standard iPod screen. I totally lost access to my (wired) ipod which has worked for 4 yrs. I am using the original iPod cable CD-IU50 with no Lightning. Made sure it was correctly set as Wired in AV Settings. Nada. Do I have to switch to the CD-IU51 cable to retain the old iPod functionality? I don't feel like spending that much (CD-IU51 + Apple Lightning to 30 pin adapter).
So I reverted back to the origina (5.0) firmware in /USER/PRG0 by deleting PRG.FLG and I'm back to a working 5.0 (with the nag screen).
Pionara, could you please work-out your patch for the 5.0 NAVI for those of use wanting to retain the old iPod support? I don't know what the correct offset is in NAVI.exe. Thanks
Oh - also weird is the Wired/BT button in AV settings was labeld something like "FM Step"
I wish I saw your post before I attempted this 5.1 update. My setup is the same, Z110 and the iPod cable CD-IU50. I saw the new iPod app icon and my old 80GB classic would no longer work. Oh well, back to 5.0 and another 20 minutes down the drain.
I wish I saw your post before I attempted this 5.1 update. My setup is the same, Z110 and the iPod cable CD-IU50. I saw the new iPod app icon and my old 80GB classic would no longer work. Oh well, back to 5.0 and another 20 minutes down the drain.
How did you apply 5.1 on z110? I tried and it failed on me. I can see 2 options from SD or USB and sys or sys all but it doesn't do anything when i press menu to enter to select from SD.
I wish I saw your post before I attempted this 5.1 update. My setup is the same, Z110 and the iPod cable CD-IU50. I saw the new iPod app icon and my old 80GB classic would no longer work. Oh well, back to 5.0 and another 20 minutes down the drain.
A little after I posted, I somehow I got my iTouch to work with 5.1 using the CD-IU50 cable. Not sure what changed. Maybe unplugging and reconnecting the iTouch. I've been running 5.1 for about a week.
The only thing odd is the AV settings menu is screwy. Instead of "App Connection", the button is labeled "FM Step", and the button next to it ("VR something ) is also labelled wrong - can't remember what it says. I thought 5.1 added another iPod related control to AV settings menu, but I'm mnot seeing it. Even tried hard (disconnect battery) and Factory resets. So something got hosed during the update. Tried reinstalling 5.1 and still the same.
How did you apply 5.1 on z110? I tried and it failed on me. I can see 2 options from SD or USB and sys or sys all but it doesn't do anything when i press menu to enter to select from SD.
It works after you install 5.0. However, delete TestMode.key from the 5.1 upgrade SD - don't force load any files.
Thank you. I will give it a shot again removing Testmode.key