Microsoft offered free upgrades to Windows 7 ONLY because they are partnered with manufactures who would have taken a hit in PC sales from people waiting for the new OS.

Microsoft DOES NOT make a habit of giving their software away, NOR SHOULD PIONEER.

Why do you think Pioneer was offering a $200 dollar rebate on their head unit . . . and now the upgrade price is $200. Doesn't take a rocket scientist people . . . they knew that word of the Z120 would get out, but they didn't want to take a hit in sales on the Z110.

We demand all these upgrades/modifications and then expect Pioneer to just give it to us free? Seriously?

IMO Pioneer did us a solid by not leaving us to rot on an old head unit. They breathed new life in the Z110 by providing a relatively cheap upgrade path to the Z120. They could have done like most other corporations and forced us to purchase a new HU for $1300+, but they did not.

I do agree it would be nice to purchase the upgrade the GUI software w/out having to purchase the maps (maps are decent for my area). But for what I am getting and for the due diligence that Pioneer has shown I am giving two thumbs up - Keep up the good work!

Very well said. Finally someone on this thread that can think past his nose.

Let's stop complaining about the price, it's never gonna change, let's get this thing hacked, or let's all go out and buy it. Stop Bitc***

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I agree, let's get cracking.. literally.

Agree, who ever wants to give money away feel free lol. Lets just keep it on the down low before pioneer takes extremes actions and do something stupid. I will be waiting for the image who ever wants to share it. Lets talk about the new upgrade, does it run as fast and better than the current version? It may be some bugs on it that have been fixed yet. Who knows. Sometimes by watching a video you thinks is better, but when you actually get to it and use it there may be functions that you may not like. I hope this is not the case though.

This forum could use a new section, "Cry Me a River.."

Keep all the people who only post to complain/bash there.

I'm anxiously awating some reviews of the upgrade, as it seems it's been all speculation on the updates.

Isn't it funny how all the people that were whining about the price were all noobs to this forum.

This forum could use a new section, "Cry Me a River.."

This is the exact reason I don't post here anymore.

I'm starting to see why good people like inferno999 and hyperite were on their way out when I came into the scene. Answering the idiotic questions and having to listen to the whiners day-in and day-out gets extremely tiring. My time is better wasted elsewhere.

Seems pretty common now-a-days..... Everybody exspects something for nothing....

Next thing... You see them crying on CNN

I only wish they would have included some of the known bugs.... Although I know why they didn't..... They won't let you pay for bug fixes...instead they will hopefully follow as free updates(like previous Zs)....

From my few years of owning pioneers Navis.... This is the biggest update to date.... I have no problems tossing 200 for this update...

$200 still seems like a lot. How does the password work on this? Do you get a unique password for each SD card? Does it authenticate to the unit some how?

 

I guess they could just not offer an upgrade at all and require you to pay 1500-2000 for the new unit. Kinda like all the other companies do.

Exactly! $200 for essentially a new unit isn't bad at all. Just ordered the upgrade with 2-day express (being the impatient bastard that I am ). Would have liked to see some screenshots or demo vids first but I'll take the leap and hope for the best... LOVE my z110bt (z120bt?) for the first 8 months and hope it just gets better with the upgrade!

I ordered mine from the place I got my 110 from. I'm going to get it at his cost, which we think will be around 150. I'm hoping to have it sometime this week too.

As for the price, $200 for new maps and GUI? I think it's easily worth it. You don't want the maps? Fine, you're payin 200 for an update instead of 1000+ on a new HU. Don't want the GUI? Fine, you're payin 200 for a map update as normal with a free new interface.

In the end, no one is forcing you to buy anything, you don't like the price, don't buy it. Seems pretty simple.

Im ok with the price. It's inline with what most other Map updates cost. I jut hope it has the updates for the roads in my area.

As for the ones complaining...meh...It's the times we live in...

has anyone received or even seen their update shipped out yet? I ordered mine on thursday and still says awaiting shipment

VBlue42 Comporations doesn't care much about customers if thats what your trying to say. I understand your a big fan but truly I believe that update should only cost us 50 to 100 dollars. They made this update for one reason only to sell and make big money out of a system you allready bought. Hell they should give us the new update for free as far I'm concern. A bunch of company does it, why pioneer can't do it. They still going to make big money selling the new z120bt itself.

 

 

Thats Why I'm a Gaming PC and Your a Mac. If you like to give money away good for you, but I don't like it not even bit.

My Mac would piss all over your 'gaming PC' and I didn't throw money away to build it. Just saying...

has anyone received or even seen their update shipped out yet? I ordered mine on thursday and still says awaiting shipment

I'm still awaiting mine to be shipped out as well and I ordered mine on Thursday too.

I called and they said that it should be leaving their warehouses today

VBlue42 Comporations doesn't care much about customers if thats what your trying to say. I understand your a big fan but truly I believe that update should only cost us 50 to 100 dollars. They made this update for one reason only to sell and make big money out of a system you allready bought. Hell they should give us the new update for free as far I'm concern. A bunch of company does it, why pioneer can't do it. They still going to make big money selling the new z120bt itself.

 

 

Thats Why I'm a Gaming PC and Your a Mac. If you like to give money away good for you, but I don't like it not even bit.

 

My Mac would piss all over your 'gaming PC' and I didn't throw money away to build it. Just saying...

Really!?!? I find that kind of funny, if not tangent to this thread.

VBlue42 Comporations doesn't care much about customers if thats what your trying to say. I understand your a big fan but truly I believe that update should only cost us 50 to 100 dollars. They made this update for one reason only to sell and make big money out of a system you allready bought. Hell they should give us the new update for free as far I'm concern. A bunch of company does it, why pioneer can't do it. They still going to make big money selling the new z120bt itself.

 

 

Thats Why I'm a Gaming PC and Your a Mac. If you like to give money away good for you, but I don't like it not even bit.

 

My Mac would piss all over your 'gaming PC' and I didn't throw money away to build it. Just saying...

 

 

Righttttttttttttttt imaging your mac being faster than my 4 OCZ 1T ssd as raid 0 and the i7 890 overclock at 5.5 ghz with liquid cooling and unlimited cracked programs like maya and autodesk. Oh try to get vegas studio pro and photoshop cs4 on a mac lol. Do the math at the long run u spend more on slaved mac than pc any gaming pc. How much a decent mac will cost you in the mac store lol.

Oh try to get vegas studio pro and photoshop cs4 on a mac lol.

I have CS4 on a 13" MBP right now.

I just got a call from pioneer telling me they have a delay in getting these in. Now they are hoping to get them tomorrow or wednesday but they don't have a clue really

Nice of them to call me and explain the situation as the other person i called earlier told me they were shipping today lol. We'll see, this girl said it generally takes 1-2days to ship out once they get it which they have not yet...

Here is what I got from an email to Pioneer:

Hello,

We are expecting this item to arrive at Pioneer today or tomorrow, and it will ship within a day or two after it arrives. It will still be delivered within 2-days of shipment.

We apologize for any inconvenience.

Have a great day,

 

Direct Sales

Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.

866.214.1310

So we'll see...

Don't know about some of u but I actually like the XM interface better on the Z110 than on the new one. It is laid out very well.

yeah i'm interested in seeing how i like the new layouts considering i don't really have any issues with the current setup. I think it will all depend on how accurate and responsive the sliding will be.

Did Microsoft give you the upgrade from Vista to Windows 7. Again people, this is nothing new. No company gives you a new unit in software without you paying something for it. In this case, Pioneer basically has. Your paying for the maps and getting the new unit thrown in. If you compare Pioneer in this case with Kenwood, Alpine, Carion, or JVC, you will have to purchase the new unit to get the new features that you don't get with the model you just bought two months ago. Pioneer is the only one out of the in dash navi companies that is giving the opportunity to have the new unit for 200 dollars.

Yes, if you bought Vista within 2 months of Win 7 release they DID give you a FREE Upgrade, they also give you UPDATES and service packs free for as long as you own the software. Updates and service packs that add new features. My DirecTv and Cable boxes get free updates pushed to them which add new features. Look at the iPhone, you don't pay for updates not even to the multitasking OS4. That's why people complain.

Now I know they charge for the map updates, I have a Navigator and for updated maps Lincoln charges $200, as do most other manufactures and if you look at their forums people complain that the price is too high, and I understand why and then I don't. But I'm not saying Pioneer shouldn't charge, cause I don't think any of them should charge. I bought a product that requires updating every year so why force me to pay to keep it current.

Now the fact that it is a GUI upgrade I can understand a cost. See the problem is what we get for the cost, we are sent an update that we only use once and don't use anymore, when you start to overanalize like I do you think $200 I could by the new iPhone, a 24in flat screen tv, tires (lol). It's all in presentation the update is seen as just the code in your radio being altered. Not if this plugged into your radion through IP-Bus and had a button alot less people would complain (lol). Not trying to argue just wanted to point some stuff out, will I buy it more than likely, just not today.