Hey guys,
Has anyone thought about what's gonna happen when the new iPhone with smaller 9 pin doc connector is released? I'm really hoping that Apple or Pioneer has an usable adapter waiting in the wings or the AppRadio and AppRadio 2 will be basically useless to everyone that upgrades their phones.
ijc...you know....pioneer is now on sph-da09 model....seeing how it goes...i think they totally don't care about it...( hope i'm wrong...)
Word is that Apple is the sole manufacturer of adapters to be used with the new size dock connector. They will be $10 each or a pack of 3/$29. This story is all over the 'net today.
Available in October. $30 for the adapter, $40 for the cable.
I don't know what's going to happen. The page for apple's Lightning-to-30-pin-adapter says "This adapter lets you connect devices with a Lightning connector to many of your 30-pin accessories.* Video and iPod Out not supported."
The whole presentation on iPhone 5's new connector during the keynote suggests (to me) that they have removed video output capabilities from the new connector... Phil schiller made it a point to mention that now everyone uses airplay....
So I'm not sure what's going to happen. Apple may have killed all aftermarket headunits that have any kind of App Mode.
I posted a question in the Apple Online Store for both L230P adapters. I am not sure how this adapter serves any purpose if the video and ipod streams are not supported.
The bigger question will be if iOS 6 is also going to be supported. It will suck to be 1 iOS version behind on my current iPhone 4S.
Anyone have any feel of how quick Pioneer has been in the past to test and respond?
I also don't know what to make of the "Video and iPod out not supported" line. Hopefully Pioneer can get something for us to buy (probably a new cable they'll try to charge us $50 for) but if that's what it takes thats fine. It's already $30 for the adapter from Apple that wont work anyways. By the way, is that adapter only for charging since it would be useless in sending out audio or video?
The bigger question will be if iOS 6 is also going to be supported. It will suck to be 1 iOS version behind on my current iPhone 4S.
As far as I can tell, everything works fine on iOS 6. I'll give it another try and report back.
If my iphone is not supported, I just hope my droid phone will always be supported. I will take a hit on one, but not both.
Just tested the iPod, AppRadio app, Pandora, and Rdio. All work fine. I'm assuming everything else will work too, as long as the apps are updated to support iOS 6.
That is good sign for those with iPhone 4/4S and plan to stay. It shows in the keynote that those who do iPod in their cars can continue to do so with the adapters. Unfortunately, it seems like all the control is/will be on the iOS device vs controlling the library/playback from the accessory.
I called Pioneer on another issue and asked at the end if they had any official news to share. The tech said nothing official. Apple being Apple, the device has not been openly shared with the likes of Pioneer to work on adapting their accessories. Therefore Pioneer will most likely not get their hands on a iP5 until the general public begin to receive theirs. If the device connects and tests generally pass, they will most likely work on supporting the device. If the device connects partially and there are more problems than successes, they will most likely NOT work towards certification of the iP5 with the AR devices.
In my opinion, this is a big fail on Apple's part. Most rooms with projectors are not network enabled. They still have VGA cables plopped in the middle of the table. The same is true with most car stereos. I suppose in 1-2 years we might all be thanking them for eliminating unsightly cables in our vehicles. But for the here and now... it seems like the accessories should have evolved before the connector. But I guess the only way to drive the accessory community into the AirPlay/Wireless approach is to force it.
The wheels are still turning in my head...
One *could* connect an AppleTV to the HDMI connection in their AppRadio, and then use AirPlay Mirroring to project to their AR. I suppose control from the touch screen would be eliminated. But it would at least provide audio/video support wirelessly to your screen.
Has anyone tried this to see if you truly loose the touch screen of if the ATV knows via the digital HDMI its a touch screen?
Also, read an interesting CNET article about how other vehicle manufacturers are going to have the same issue. What it boils down to is the new 9 pin is 100% digital. So Apple basically eliminated all analog output. Therefore, if the car stereo relies on the analog signal for audio/video, then the accessory most likely will NOT function. However if it relies on the digital data signals and uses its own digital to analog converter, then chances are it will be somewhat to fully compatible.
I *think* AR relies on the 30 PIN analog video for actual video output. However it uses digital data to manage touch screen response, iPod Control, as well as Pandora link. So my prognosis is iPod, Pandora, and Phone *CONTROLS* will function. However audio will not be heard unless you cane pipe it through the bluetooth. Video in AppMode will probably also non functional, even though digital feedback on the touch screen will still be sensed.
If we can confirm if AppRadio uses the digital or analog, that might give us a better hint what to expect.
Sorry - the brain is working overtime on this one. If this is the same cable used for the AppRadio 2, then it says it uses the digital for the best audio/video quality possible. If that is the cable the 30 to 9pin adapter may actually work to port the Advanced AppMode and iPod/Pandora from IP4 to AR!
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/Accessories/iPod-and-iPhone-Cables/CD-IU201S
I am uncertain of that working. I think the connection with that cable is digital for audio and ipod controls, but it specifically mentions RGB, which is an analog signal.... Plus, the extra connector on the Appradio for video is s-video I think, which also is analog. Apple's info on the Lightning connector tout it as "fully digital" .... So I think the current generation of headunits is going to be SOL with the iPhone 5.
I think the Iphone 5 kind of killed it for me. I dont see any big features that would make me continue to stay with Apple. Over at XDA-Developers they seem to have found a solution for full Android Phone Control via the AppRadio2. If that is the Case i will probably switch to Android.
Cheers Goofy
I plan on keeping my iPhone 4 and keeping it in my car. The way I intend on getting data is basically tethering my new iPhone 5 to my iPhone 4 and using it that way.
Ya I have an iPhone 4 that is mine and use it only for work. So may keep it in vehicle but Bluetooth my 5 for calls. When you say tether your 5 to your 4, what does that entail and provide you?
Also, read an interesting CNET article about how other vehicle manufacturers are going to have the same issue. What it boils down to is the new 9 pin is 100% digital. So Apple basically eliminated all analog output. Therefore, if the car stereo relies on the analog signal for audio/video, then the accessory most likely will NOT function. However if it relies on the digital data signals and uses its own digital to analog converter, then chances are it will be somewhat to fully compatible.
I *think* AR relies on the 30 PIN analog video for actual video output. However it uses digital data to manage touch screen response, iPod Control, as well as Pandora link. So my prognosis is iPod, Pandora, and Phone *CONTROLS* will function. However audio will not be heard unless you cane pipe it through the bluetooth. Video in AppMode will probably also non functional, even though digital feedback on the touch screen will still be sensed.
If we can confirm if AppRadio uses the digital or analog, that might give us a better hint what to expect.
I was just reading the same thing about the new 9-pin connector being fully digital. I tend to agree with you that I *think* audio and/or video are handled via analog signalling.
The cable that comes with the AR2 has a breakaway USB plug in the middle so that you can stick a flash drive in it to do firmware updates. But even when you disconnect the USB plug, there's still a portion of cable that runs to the back of the head unit. I assume this is where the analog signals pass through. But is it for audio, video, or both?
I'm glad I saw this thread early on because this will be a huge problem in the future and I'd like to keep up with all the discussion. I still 8 mos. left on my iPhone 4S contract, but after that I will most likely update to the iP5. The question is, will I have to trash my AR2 and find another head unit? How annoying!
Sorry - the brain is working overtime on this one. If this is the same cable used for the AppRadio 2, then it says it uses the digital for the best audio/video quality possible. If that is the cable the 30 to 9pin adapter may actually work to port the Advanced AppMode and iPod/Pandora from IP4 to AR!
The Appradio2 uses a different cable that is probably not all digital. There's a USB junction in the center of the cable that can be detached for firmware updates via USB, but there is still a portion of the cable aside from the USB junction. I assume that the undetachable part of the cable carries analog audio and/or video. If so, then even Apple's adapter will not work for us.
When I replace my 4S with an iP5, I envision that my Appradio will be unceremoniously thrown into the Pacific ocean. I'll have to go with a new head unit with built-in GPS and A2DP bluetooth streaming. No more of this cable nonsense.
I bought the AR2 to save money, since I could use my iPhone to be the "brains" of my mobile infotainment. It's beginning to look like I'll have to overhaul my system (and spend more $) if I want to switch to an iP5. Balls!
I am uncertain of that working. I think the connection with that cable is digital for audio and ipod controls, but it specifically mentions RGB, which is an analog signal.... Plus, the extra connector on the Appradio for video is s-video I think, which also is analog. Apple's info on the Lightning connector tout it as "fully digital" .... So I think the current generation of headunits is going to be SOL with the iPhone 5.
Do you suppose it's possible for Pioneer to make an entirely new cable specifically for the iPhone 5 (i.e. all digital)? Or do you think the head unit itself cannot support a full digital connection?
If it is possible, the cable will likely be $100, just like the Android cable. I would consider that over buying a whole new head unit.
I just wrote Pioneer to clarify what is analog with the current AR2/iPhone 4 setup. I also asked about an iPhone 5-specific cable. When I clicked "submit" I got a server error. I don't know if my inquiry went thorugh. Balls!
There is a lot going on with their Facebook page regarding this very topic. Pioneer Electronics North America is the page and many users are demanding a response. This far Pioneer is only saying they are going to try and test/certify as soon as all is available
I am going to get an iPhone 5 regardless.. What I plan on doing until there is a workable solution, is I will continue connecting my iPhone 4 in the car, with no cellular service, and I will WiFi tether the 4 to the 5's data plan so I will still have functional navigation/pandora capabilities.
Does anyone know any head units that support all digital control, audio, and video? At this point, those are the best candidates to work to some degree with the iP5. Anything that uses the analog might as well go on clearance right now.
Also, has anyone even seen if the Lightning connector will support video out, at all? The fact there isnt lightening HDMI or DVI connectors is alarming to say the least that video of any kind wont even work.