Just yesterday Pioneer released two firmware updates for the Z140 (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/firmware) to enable lightning port functionality. They are the ver 5.1 for those who installed the Navteq T1000-20495 map update or ver 4.6 for those who didn't update.
I have a Z130 with the 2012 Navteq map update T1000-19328. Which of these two firmware will work with the Z130? Also, what is Navteq update T1000-20495?
I'm in the same situation and was wondering the same. I'm sure pioneer doesn't care about our old units and wants us to upgrade to new units. I pray it will work, just need a guinea pig.
You have to upgrade to a Z140 by purchasing the map upgrade. Then you will be able to apply this update.
Thanks for the info. I already have the 2012 map upgrade (T1000-19328). I'm going to wait until the 2013 map upgrade before I try this.
Then you already have a 140. You should be able to apply the update now.
In that case, I'll be the guinea pig. Pioneer is having a 1/2 off sale on the CD-IV202NAVI (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/Accessories/Smartphone-and-iPod-Cables/CD-IV202NAVI). I'll try it as soon as I get the parts.
Do you know if this will work with the Z110BT? I have the 2013 maps on my system but I can not connect my iPhone because of the lighting cable.
If you have the 2012 maps you now have a 140 so the update should work.
If you have the 2012 maps you now have a 140 so the update should work.
I wonder if there's more to it. I looked at the 5.1 update's installion doc and it says:
"IMPORTANT: DO NOT perform any steps of this firmware update if the model number is anything other than AVIC Z140-BH or AVIC X940-BT. Check your model number before updating the firmware. For the AVIC Z140-BH the model number is located to the left of the VOL button ... ".
So this would seem to eliminate any pre-Z140 (or X940) units that had CNSD310-FM installed. Plus, the only references to NAVTEQ T1000-20495 is in news blurbs about this update. No idea what it is or where to get it.
So yeah, someone wanna be the guinea pig???? I don't even have an iPhone, just a 3rd G iTouch - so I'm not even tempted.
Yes please someone try this! I have a 130 upgraded and am scared to try it!
So, my first attempt at updating failed. I was able to load the updated software version 4.6, but I'm unable to update uCom to 8.05. My system uCom is currently version 8.01. When running Program forced write, the version of uCom on the SD card is ----------.
I was able to update the Bluetooth firmware from 3.24 to 3.32 with no difficulty. I wonder if that would improve Bluetooth performance.
Luckily, I have a backup copy of my USER directory, so I was able to restore my software to 4.0001.
Any suggestions? Should I try the 5.1 download? Will the 2013 map update possibly work?
Ok, so I tried it again. uCom is still not getting updated. I'll wait till the next map update and see what gets changed. If that doesn't add Iphone 5 app mode support, I'll switch to the AppRadio 3 and remove the Z130.
If you have the 2012 maps you now have a 140 so the update should work.
Hi VBlue42!
But which update to do use? The 4.6? or the 5.1?
(We have a x9310bt with the Navteq 2012 map update.)
Thanks
So, I found more information.
According to the following posts, a Z110BT, Z120BT and Z130BT are not equivalent in hardware to a Z140BH (even with the map update).
http://avic411.com/index.php?/topic/37407-2013-eu-update-f30-f930-f9310-f40-f940-f840-f8430/?p=272846
http://avic411.com/index.php?/topic/38050-x940update-not-working/?p=273425
http://avic411.com/index.php?/topic/38050-x940update-not-working/?p=273437
It seems that there are different uCom firmwares for each of the different kinds of hardware. SAL/SYS123 = X940, SAL/SYS110 = X930 and so on. Included in the Z140BH ver. 4.600 iPhone 5 firmware update are SAL/SYS121 directories.
Navteq finally posted the T1000-20495 2013 map update on their website at www.navigation.com. The manual PDF specifically states that iPhone5 lightning functionality is for AVIC Z140BH and X940BH. Looks like us with older units are out of luck.
Navteq finally posted the T1000-20495 2013 map update on their website at www.navigation.com. The manual PDF specifically states that iPhone5 lightning functionality is for AVIC Z140BH and X940BH. Looks like us with older units are out of luck.
So what is the result of your progress? Were you able to get full functionality of an iPhone 5 connected to your Z130 with the update? More importantly, were you able to get video sent to your dash?
When attempting to install software update ver 4.6, this is what happens:
1. Files get copied into USER.
2. Z130BT reboots and attempts to flash firmware and gets stuck at uCom update. It's looking for SYS110 and SAL110, but looking at the extracted files from the update, there's only SYS121 and SAL121.
3. After rebooting a second time, the Z130BT seems normal.
So, after installing ver 4.6, this is what I get:
1. iPod touch button changes from the 30-pin connector image to a musical note.
2. Pressing iPod goes straight to "AppRadio Mode". I cannot switch to iPod music mode.
3. Video appears, but will not play music (sound comes out from the phone speaker). It's supposed to play through Bluetooth, but uCom firmware was not updated. Touch input from the Z130BT is not registered by the phone either.
4. Phone calls come in just fine through Bluetooth.
Having the system like this is useless to me, so I reverted back to version 4.2 using supertestmode. I have to be able to at least play music from my phone through the stereo system. Key note is to always have a backup in case things like this happen.
After reading the manual for the 2013 update, I'm balking at buying it and trying again. I'll wait for CES2014 to see what Pioneer has in store next.
Is there a reason why this website crashes whenever I try to post links?
I noticed the same thing when I updated mine yesterday. I now have an iPhone 5S (effective today, previously had 4S). Right before I traded the phone in for this, I noticed that if you make a phone call and click on Pandora or Aha radio that the music or radio will play briefly before the call connects, so the functionality for it to work is there even with the 30 pin connector. I'm hoping that I can find some way of CD-IV202NAVI or CD-IH202 to work with my headunit, but don't know of anyone who has tried it out. Calls to Pioneer were hopeless, their phone rings constantly with a busy signal on their support line.
No luck with either cable - got ahold of Pioneer since their phones were actually routable today and they confimed that Z140 hardware was different. Looks like i'll be using my backed up USER folder to go back to the previous version as well and will try the lightning to 30 pin method so I can at least get tunes even though I will have lost video, or maybe i'll sell the unit.
No luck with either cable - got ahold of Pioneer since their phones were actually routable today and they confimed that Z140 hardware was different. Looks like i'll be using my backed up USER folder to go back to the previous version as well and will try the lightning to 30 pin method so I can at least get tunes even though I will have lost video, or maybe i'll sell the unit.
An alternative solution that could enable video on a pre 2012 avic with an Iphone 5 could be to buy both the lightning to VGA and the lightning to 30-pin adapters and then to provide the missing composite video signal at the 30-pin connector via a VGA to composite converter. This video signal could then be injected at the 3.5mm plug of the Pioneer 30-pin Iphone adapter cable. This could even provide full Appradio mode support...
The problem with the Apple Lightning to VGA adapter is that it only passes video. It does not pass audio nor will it pass touch commands from the headunit back to the phone. If you connected an Apple Lightning to USB cable from a PC to the lightning jack on the VGA adapter, you will see that the PC recognizes it as a USB charging device. Adapting the VGA adapter to composite and connecting it to an Apple Lightning to Apple 30-pin Dock adapter will also only pass Video, thus it will also not work.
For the Z140, there appears to be additional processing (probably done by the uCom update) that allows it to pass audio and touch commands via Bluetooth.
It does not appear that the Z130 or earlier version are capable of performing that additional processing.
I'm still waiting for Pioneer to do something with iOS in the car, but they did go one step in the right direction with Siri eyes free and capacitive touchscreen.
The problem with the Apple Lightning to VGA adapter is that it only passes video. It does not pass audio nor will it pass touch commands from the headunit back to the phone. If you connected an Apple Lightning to USB cable from a PC to the lightning jack on the VGA adapter, you will see that the PC recognizes it as a USB charging device. Adapting the VGA adapter to composite and connecting it to an Apple Lightning to Apple 30-pin Dock adapter will also only pass Video, thus it will also not work.
For the Z140, there appears to be additional processing (probably done by the uCom update) that allows it to pass audio and touch commands via Bluetooth.
It does not appear that the Z130 or earlier version are capable of performing that additional processing.
I'm still waiting for Pioneer to do something with iOS in the car, but they did go one step in the right direction with Siri eyes free and capacitive touchscreen.
Ok, so the Lightning Bus is not able to handle more than one connected device. Is that what you are saying? I don't think that there is a real limitation on the uCom side, because uCom is only responsible for the analog A/V-routing and the tuner control. Bluetooth is controlled by the main processor. I think that pioneer just don't want to provide that update for their older models for obvious reasons. They want you to buy a new model.
Ok, another alternative would be to permanently connect an older IPhone or IPod touch that has a VNC client app installed. Then you could connect to the VNC server app on your Iphone 5 via wlan tethering. That should give you pretty much the same functionality as the appradio mode. In fact, the Mirrorlink protocol on the newer avics and appradios is based on VNC as well...
Then you already have a 140. You should be able to apply the update now.
I emailed asking pioneer if this would work because I do have the upgraded z130. They said no. Is this a ploy to buy a new unit or do they just not know what there doing?
All I'm saying is that the Apple VGA Adapter is a video only device and it is not capable of handling Audio or Touch control data.
Seems to me that it could be an easy software fix to the Z130 to make Audio and Touch pass through Bluetooth like it does in the Z140 and Z150.
Honestly I think pioneer is done with the old and stuck on the new. Even though they are so similar they see no need in updating an old product. My next unit will be based on updatable content and not so much the options it comes with. I wish apple would make a unit for us, or I may just use an iPad mini.