Hey, is there any way to get the navi.exe posted? Only reason why I ask is my brother is "resourceful" programmer, he could possibly help shed some light...

if you'd rather not due to legal issues..i totally understand...

Thanks...

docluv01 said:

Hey, is there any way to get the navi.exe posted? Only reason why I ask is my brother is "resourceful" programmer, he could possibly help shed some light...

if you'd rather not due to legal issues..i totally understand...

Thanks...

I'm trying to avoid doing anything that could warrant any action against this board. I don't know Jason and if he wants to expose himself to heat.

A few people now have their drives unlocked and if you indicate somewhere that file could be stored I'm sure somebody will upload it. The entire hdd image will contain enough information to trace it back to the owner if the unit is registered or needed warranty service but the basic files have older, uniform date stamps so it stands to reason they are not coded with any specific to an individual unit.

Understood my man...np

We do appreciate your hard work :)

Anonymous said:

How do I get to the drive to take it out before powering it on?

After disassembling a whole ton of stuff that wasn't necessary I found a half moon slot in the bottom of the case that exposed a gear with holes. I used a small phillips to turn the gear a half moon at a time to open the front panel. No disassembly required!

When my wife saw how many screws and pieces I had all over the table she gave me all kinds of grief for destroying such an "expensive toy". It's all back together now and I'm waiting for a little cooler evening to install it and prove to her that it will still work.

Unfortunately the drive was already locked and it had never been powered up.

I was determined to get an image before it was powered up and locked because I have 30gb of music that I have already ripped from CDs and 10gb isn't going to be enough.

Has anyone succesfully expanded their image to a larger drive and filled it with more than 10gb of content?

bfrank4709 said:

Anonymous said:

How do I get to the drive to take it out before powering it on?

After disassembling a whole ton of stuff that wasn't necessary I found a half moon slot in the bottom of the case that exposed a gear with holes. I used a small phillips to turn the gear a half moon at a time to open the front panel. No disassembly required!

When my wife saw how many screws and pieces I had all over the table she gave me all kinds of grief for destroying such an "expensive toy". It's all back together now and I'm waiting for a little cooler evening to install it and prove to her that it will still work.

Unfortunately the drive was already locked and it had never been powered up.

I was determined to get an image before it was powered up and locked because I have 30gb of music that I have already ripped from CDs and 10gb isn't going to be enough.

Has anyone succesfully expanded their image to a larger drive and filled it with more than 10gb of content?

Thx for taking it apart. Sorry it was locked.
I'll save you 11 pages of reading.
Yes, I've installed a larger drive. I haven't put a lot of music in it so I don't know for sure if it will actually hold more. I tripled the partition for music, now its 30 gigs.

I'm taking mine back out to try and get into the core OS in the unit. Maybe this weekend.
If Murphy's law holds true I will NEED navagation the day I pull it out so I'm going to find a thomas bros. first. LOL

docluv01 said:

Hey, is there any way to get the navi.exe posted? Only reason why I ask is my brother is "resourceful" programmer, he could possibly help shed some light...

if you'd rather not due to legal issues..i totally understand...

Thanks...

Navi.exe file available.

http://www.bigfloppydonkeyballs.com/~leech/z1hddcopy/navi.rar

is the other file u have there what i think it is?

Pulp_Fiction, now that you figured out how to change the background screen, I think I want to switch out the drive and play with some stuff my self. If you don't mind, before getting into this, could I ask a few questions?

If I unlock the drive and just make changes, as soon as I put it back in the Z1 it will re-lock the drive.

If so I will need a drive that doesn't support locking? If so how do I know what does or does not support locking?

Do you have a drive you recommend? Brand/Model?

How did you connect your drive to your computer? Using one of these?
http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?c ... &sku=17705
Or did you use a USB interface?

What did you use to copy your partitions from one drive to the other? Ghost? Did you just create the partitions yourself and copy them partition by partition or did you do the whole drive at once and then go back in and change the sizes with partition magic or something?

Sorry for all the noob like questions, been too busy building circuits to keep up with all the threads here ;)

+1

I just got my Z1 about 20 mins ago and am taking the hard drive out now; might as well put in a new one while I'm at it.

Hmmmm. I've got my drive in an XP machine and it sees the drive but it wants to initilize it before it will let me look at it. I'm afraid that will erase whatever is on the drive so I'm going to boot into DOS and see if I can read the drive.

Hopefully it isn't locked.



Damn, it's locked...

ducatiboy said:

Pulp_Fiction, now that you figured out how to change the background screen, I think I want to switch out the drive and play with some stuff my self. If you don't mind, before getting into this, could I ask a few questions?

If I unlock the drive and just make changes, as soon as I put it back in the Z1 it will re-lock the drive.

If so I will need a drive that doesn't support locking? If so how do I know what does or does not support locking?

Do you have a drive you recommend? Brand/Model?

How did you connect your drive to your computer? Using one of these?
http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?c ... &sku=17705
Or did you use a USB interface?

What did you use to copy your partitions from one drive to the other? Ghost? Did you just create the partitions yourself and copy them partition by partition or did you do the whole drive at once and then go back in and change the sizes with partition magic or something?

Sorry for all the noob like questions, been too busy building circuits to keep up with all the threads here ;)

OK, noob status temp granted. :lol:

Yes it will relock it. Use MHDD to disable the security features on the drive before you put it back in.

They ALL support locking (I'm assuming this as it is part of the IEEE standard for ATA-5 and above). Very old drives do not but they are too small anyway. You could spend $$$$ on a 44 pin flash drive. This may not support locking. <--- Ignore this idea, just posted because it it possible, not prefered or tested and is def. more costly.

Any laptop IDE drive should work fine. If you can get automotve drive (like what comes with the Z1) it is advertised to be more shock resistant. I'm using a standard Hitachi laptop drive and it's been fine so far.

To unlock the drive you need to be able to connect it to the IDE channel directly if you use the service I did. The USB connector is helpful but not for unlocking, only for reading and writing later (hotswap ok with this).

Yes, Ghost. Created images off of original drive. Partition new drive with larger partitions. Use Ghost to restore original partions to new drive's partions, one at a time without letting Ghost resize.

I did not try to use a resizing tool like PM but now that we know more about the system (Windows CE automotive) I think that would work too.

That cable adapter you linked to should work fine.


Noob status revoked. Get back to your soldering iron now!!!

Cirbirus said:

Hmmmm. I've got my drive in an XP machine and it sees the drive but it wants to initilize it before it will let me look at it. I'm afraid that will erase whatever is on the drive so I'm going to boot into DOS and see if I can read the drive.

Hopefully it isn't locked.



Damn, it's locked...

If the PC's post sequence sees the drive but Windows XP cannot see or mount it then the drive is locked. A couple of people on here have reported the drives to be locked out of the box. Makes me think Pioneer is powering these up before sending them out or the first poster was mistaken about what he saw.

Use MHDD to check the drives status. It will tell you if it is locked or not.

My newest favorite resource: http://hddguru.com/

Anonymous said:

is the other file u have there what i think it is?

You shouldn't ask questions like that.....

Pulp_Fiction said:

OK, noob status temp granted. :lol:

Thank you.

Pulp_Fiction said:

...snip... lots of good information ...snip...

That was lots of good information, thanks.

Pulp_Fiction said:

If the PC's post sequence sees the drive but Windows XP cannot see or mount it then the drive is locked. A couple of people on here have reported the drives to be locked out of the box. Makes me think Pioneer is powering these up before sending them out or the first poster was mistaken about what he saw.

Maybe I'm crazy, but if I got the unit new in the box, how would I remove the drive without turning it on? Don't you need to power it on to have the front panel lower to get to the hard drive? So wouldn't it be impossible (aside from dismantling the whole unit) to get out the drive before it's locked? Seems worth the $50 for the unlock tool to me.

Pulp_Fiction said:

Noob status revoked. Get back to your soldering iron now!!!

SIR YES SIR!

Pulp_Fiction said:

Anonymous said:

is the other file u have there what i think it is?

You shouldn't ask questions like that.....

Why not? Just say no, it's nothing like what you think it is. It's actually what I think it is. :)

It was definitely locked. I had to pay the $50 to unlock it. Since it did it so quickly they clearly know the master password which pisses me off that Toshiba won't tell me since it's my drive, my property.

I used MHDD to disable the password (DISPWD) but...

DISABLING THE PASSWORD DID NOT WORK!!!!

The drive was relocked when put back in the unit! Very annoying.

One very odd thing about the DISWPD function is that it kept telling me, "Drive must be unlocked before disabling password" but the drive was unlocked! So, I set a user password, and used the DISPWD using the password I had set. It said, "DONE" so I assumed it worked.

When I tried setting the password I never got an option for the master password so that really screwed me I think. The problem with MHDD is the guy that wrote it is Russian and whenever HdGuru.com gets into any real discussions the text changes to Russian and it's impossible to follow.

I'm not happy but I expected this so I do have the drive backed up on two different computers on four different drives. I'm just concerned now that I won't be able to lock the replacement drive. Not to mention I can't do any hacking until I go buy a new drive.

Cirbirus, you tried disabling the password on the stock drive? And that did not work? Maybe Pulp_Fiction disabled the password on his replacement hitachi drive and that did work. Could be a difference. Sorry it re-locked on you. Thanks for the information.

Pulp_Fiction, what is the exact model of the hard drive you are using that wasn't re-locked? You said Hitachi I believe, but do you remember the model or could you look it up?

Do you think that Cirbirus just disabled that wrong? Or do you think that the Z1 might be written to relock toshiba drives no matter what.

I found this one on newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822149040

It's an automotive drive, I don't know if that's as important as some might think. But if it's going to just re-lock I'll buy whatever you used which seems to not re-lock.

Yeah, I only have the stock HDD right now, didn't want to have to drive 60 miles to go get a new drive when I'm still not done with the install. (still have reverse camera and iPod to install)

Cirbirus said:

Yeah, I only have the stock HDD right now, didn't want to have to drive 60 miles to go get a new drive when I'm still not done with the install. (still have reverse camera and iPod to install)

That might be the difference. What is the brand of the hdd in the unit stock? Toshiba? If so, we might not want to buy toshiba drives as replacements. They might re-lock. Where the Hitachi Pulp_Fiction is using might allow you to disable locking.

(I don't know this for sure yet people! Don't all go out buying Hitachi drives on what I say. Wait for Pulp Fiction and Cirbirus to confim this stuff.)

ducatiboy said:

Cirbirus, you tried disabling the password on the stock drive? And that did not work? Maybe Pulp_Fiction disabled the password on his replacement hitachi drive and that did work. Could be a difference. Sorry it re-locked on you. Thanks for the information.

Guys...I found this post by Pulp....

"I used a Hitachi drive. 80GB.

It supports locking but I disabled the security feature set prior to inserting the drive in the Z1. It WILL get locked if you don't do this.

Use MHDD to disable the lock. I posted the info on this here already somewhere....."

I remember him going into detail on this...I can't find his posts on it however. It's here somewhere.....

Yeah, but each model is differnt and I did unlock and disable locking on the stock drive but I was unable to disable locking using the master password. I also was unable to SET the master password on that drive.

This could be because I don't know what I'm doing, which is often the case, but I think I got it right.

That's why I want to know the exact model he used so if I screw it up I know it's all my fault.

In a nutshell you need to use the "config" command in MHDD and disable the security features. Just disabling the lock does not deactive the ability to lock the drive.

I guess I will write a tutorial on the whole procedure used and get it stickied. I figure we have gotten far enough on this where a summary is in order.

Pulp

Hitachi Part number: hts428080f9at00
Link to Hitachi web on this drive: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/4k80/4k80.htm

ANY drive that supports drive lock will be locked if the security feature set is not disabled!

Pulp_Fiction said:

In a nutshell you need to use the "config" command in MHDD and disable the security features. Just disabling the lock does not deactive the ability to lock the drive.

I guess I will write a tutorial on the whole procedure used and get it stickied. I figure we have gotten far enough on this where a summary is in order.

Pulp

Oh, damn! I wish I'd had that info when I was trying to unlock the drive. Well, now I know. I've been trying to find the master password so we can unlock them ourselves without having to pay the $50 but I've had no luck so far.