ok thats fine that is something i will have to sleep on and figure this out.. there is a way to do it.. to me what sence does it make to make a unit where u can not use the nav when the car is moving..

there is another way around it.. circuit man im sure we can figure this out... but i know my theory will work for the first part now we have to think of part 2 and 3.... so lets get on the ball. i think the parking light thing will work but wont back up 2 and 3 then kick in.. if not then my theory will work but hey maybe not... i do not have one to test this. lol wont get it til my new truck comes in anyway lol does anyone know the full mesurements of the unit by the way

JASONADAMW said:

ok thats fine that is something i will have to sleep on and figure this out.. there is a way to do it.. to me what sence does it make to make a unit where u can not use the nav when the car is moving..

Trust me, we all think that. And most of us don't bypass these things to watch movies while we drive, but to have access to the nav features without pulling over, stopping and putting on the parking brake. I believe the companies lock you out of these things as a legal cover their asses kind of thing. It's annoying but as long as people don't take responsibilities for their actions and want to get paid for their stupidity and their bad judgement then we are all going to get screwed with stupid stuff like this.

JASONADAMW said:

there is another way around it.. circuit man im sure we can figure this out... but i know my theory will work for the first part now we have to think of part 2 and 3.... so lets get on the ball. i think the parking light thing will work but wont back up 2 and 3 then kick in.. if not then my theory will work but hey maybe not... i do not have one to test this. lol wont get it til my new truck comes in anyway lol does anyone know the full mesurements of the unit by the way

Actually, other than what I have on my web site and the link I posted: http://www.sminntech.com/z1flash.html there are no other ways to get all the nav features while you are moving. The Z1 already has the software inside it to give you full access to the unit all the time, you just need to access it and the instructions on how to do it are on that site. That's all you need. No need to get on the ball, it was done back in April (and when Pioneer made a change to the Z1, it was done... again... in July). Nothing to sleep on. What you want is already done. I'm just worried that you posting incorrect theories will confuse other people who might read it and get the wrong idea.

There are 4 things that need to happen in order for it to give you full access while moving:

1. The gps antenna senses no motion
2. The vehicles speed sense wire senses no motion
3. Internal accelerometers senses no motion
4. The parking brake wire is grounded.

Your theory takes care of #4. If you hook up relays or disconnect wires you can take care of #1 and #2. But there is nothing you can do for #3. So you need to use the Z1's built in "bypass" which was not documented from pioneer but was built in to the unit. I have the directions to do this on my site. Trust me, we have worked on these things quite a bit, just putting the parking brake on a switch will NOT work. If you want to "reinvent the wheel" feel free to not follow the directions on my web site and try all the things we already did. But eventually you will realize the only thing to do with a Z1 is what I post on my site.

But do what you gotta do bud....

The size is on pioneer's web site
Dimensions (Main Chassis) 2DIN (7" x 4" x 6-1/2")
I would post the link right to the specs page but it's huge and I don't want to make the thread really "wide", the main site is: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com

OK I WILL READ THAT LINK.. AND THANKS FOR THE SPECS.. ANYWAY IM SURE WE CAN WRITE A CODED CD AND PUT IT ON THE HARD DRIVE.. THEY DO THE TV BLOCK OUT SO THEY DO NOT GET SUIED THATS UNDERSTANDABLE.. BUT I DO NOT THINK THEY REALLY CARE IF WE BUY PASS IT. THEY DID THERE PART WE JUST DID SOMETHING TO GO AROUND IT SO THEY ARE NOT RESPONCEABLE ANYMORE.. SO YOU HAVE WORK ON THE UNIT SO U KNOW MORE AND BETTER THAN ME SO I CAN NOT ARGUE.

IM SURE SOMEONE IN PIONEER WILL LEAK IT. JUST IN TIME.. BUT LET ME READ YOUR LINK AND SEE WHAT U HAVE ON THERE MAYBE U HAVE THE CURE.. LOL

THANKS FOR THE GOOD INFO AND GREAT CONVO.. WE WILL TALK AGAIN

Just wanted to say thanks Ducatiboy for figuring out the bypass. I received my Z1 at 10 am today (sept. 06 date) and had everything installed in my Titan by mid-afternoon. Your bypass instructions were perfect and I'm driving without restrictions.

Thanks,

troutspinner

OK, by using that bypass, does all features still work? like nav and all that? or will the Nav feature not work? by grounding the ebrake and the other wire... you get your cake and eat it too?

If you use the instructions on ducati's website, EVERYTHING will act as if the car is stopped and the parking brake is applied.

Video, nav, EVERYTHING.

OK... so all functions will work, but will the nav still give turn by turn guidance and still give all acurate information such as speed and all that. or does it not work thinking the parking brake is on?

And thanks for quick reply!

dtomcat said:

OK... so all functions will work, but will the nav still give turn by turn guidance and still give all acurate information such as speed and all that. or does it not work thinking the parking brake is on?

And thanks for quick reply!

No, everything works like it should. Everything will work, moving or stopped. By doing this you will get no "ill effects". All it will do is make it so that the things that are normally locked out unless you are stopped (with the parking brake on) will work while stopped and while moving. Everything that worked while moving remains working while moving.

The only thing that can be considered a possible bad effect is that it will allow you to watch a DVD while moving which is illegal in most (if not all) states and it's distracting. So it will allow you to do something illegal and dangerous. So you have to actively hit map and change the screen when the Z1 is controlling a DVD for the rear screens.

This mod works great!
I have had the Z1 for about 4 months. I found this site 2 days ago and I think it is great. Everyone really seems to be helping one another and the comments I have read enabled me to do the "light flashing" mod to unlock the Z1 while driving.

I did do the mod a little differently than anyone had posted. Instead of hooking into my parking lights, I just hooked into the lead going to my high beam lights. This way, it does'nt matter if my lights are on or off, all I have to do is pull my light "wand" (as if flashing my highbeams to pass) and presto! it works!!

Thanks to everyone who has posted about this.

:D 8)

ffd173 said:

This mod works great!
I have had the Z1 for about 4 months. I found this site 2 days ago and I think it is great. Everyone really seems to be helping one another and the comments I have read enabled me to do the "light flashing" mod to unlock the Z1 while driving.

I did do the mod a little differently than anyone had posted. Instead of hooking into my parking lights, I just hooked into the lead going to my high beam lights. This way, it does'nt matter if my lights are on or off, all I have to do is pull my light "wand" (as if flashing my highbeams to pass) and presto! it works!!

Thanks to everyone who has posted about this.

:D 8)

That's a different approach. the only down side I see is the z1 will only switch over to night mode when the high beams are on.

You are correct. In my case, I don't really care about night mode. So that's why I did it this way. But now that I can turn on nightmode by turning on my highbeams, I just may get used to it and have to hook it into my headlights. :lol:

Guess I'll just have to wait and see.......

8)

Well...after having my initial Z1 with the Dboy bypass, I had to get another z1 for my other ride.

So, I came back to see what needs to be done...I thought i was gonna buy another bypass...but if i'm reading correctly, I only need to do the bypass that was effective for the D1 (is that correct?) Which is listed on the SMinnTech site...?

Regarding my first Z1, it has the back up camera issue and can't get a fix...any ideas anyone? I spoke to Rocky from Pioneer and he noted that the dealer should take it back...but they wont. They are telling me to send it to some factory in Ohio...any other options.

tromar1 said:

Well...after having my initial Z1 with the Dboy bypass, I had to get another z1 for my other ride.

So, I came back to see what needs to be done...I thought i was gonna buy another bypass...but if i'm reading correctly, I only need to do the bypass that was effective for the D1 (is that correct?) Which is listed on the SMinnTech site...?

http://www.sminntech.com/z1flash.html

Yes, if your second is a June or older unit, then you would need another bypass circuit. If it's a July or newer then you can just ground 2 wires. The instructions are in that link.

tromar1 said:

Regarding my first Z1, it has the back up camera issue and can't get a fix...any ideas anyone? I spoke to Rocky from Pioneer and he noted that the dealer should take it back...but they wont. They are telling me to send it to some factory in Ohio...any other options.

That's a tough one. I guess I would send it back to the factory. If the dealer won't take it I would ship it back. That sucks, but that's what happens sometimes with less than reputable dealers.

ducatiboy said:

http://www.sminntech.com/z1flash.html

Yes, if your second is a June or older unit, then you would need another bypass circuit. If it's a July or newer then you can just ground 2 wires. The instructions are in that link.

That's a tough one. I guess I would send it back to the factory. If the dealer won't take it I would ship it back. That sucks, but that's what happens sometimes with less than reputable dealers.

Thanks...

Looking at the Avic, just cobbling-up the necessary info to make an informed decision. One thing is obvious however, Jason is an asshat.

Edit: thx to all for the purpose and effort on the forum, I'm sure i'll be back.

which jason? your one post means that your a turd burgler yourself

[Hoop returns invective]

[and again]

bye

[and the finale]

Ok so you guys are having a pissing contest about a post made back in november?


Chill out.

+^+1. Yer absolutely right, posts edited.

lol no pissing match here, it seemed very clear that he was here to start trouble, 1 post to flame and call someone an asshat. what is the reader to think then? Only possibility is that he is causing trouble and only trying to screw with jason, and at the time I was thinking it was JasonH. So, seeing the productiveness of the 5 posts, it would stand to reason that that is not something we need here on the forums

well, trouble is my middle name :lol: Since you, so hypocritically, called me a turd burglar you should look in the mirror. Does it say poC muroF ? Indeed, we dont need anything here like that. So, go ban yerself.

dude your an idiot, you are a turd burlger, you aint contributed anything to this forum. so leave us be.