yea i have a Seagate Momentus 5400.2 hard drive and i get the rebooting problem as well. I am thinking of getting a replacement automotive hard drive and just use that unless you guys know of any hard drives that work? Thanks for your help.
Will
yea i have a Seagate Momentus 5400.2 hard drive and i get the rebooting problem as well. I am thinking of getting a replacement automotive hard drive and just use that unless you guys know of any hard drives that work? Thanks for your help.
Will
Any idea where to get one?
What about this?
i've seen the automotive hard drives in google by just doing a search for them. The price seems to be right around $100 though which is still cheaper then the upgrade discs. But i still would like to see why our hard drives are rebooting before we have to spend money on a new one.
That's really interesting... Given that people have had a lot of issues with other HDs -- maybe I'll just use my original Z1 HD, wipe it, and stick the Z2 image on that! I might have better luck going that way.. I just figured I'd stick a new HD in there and get a bit more space and maybe increase my music partition while I'm at it (which I have not done, yet).
It's strange that it reboots -- I could see that happening if the drive you were putting in required more power than the Z1 stock HD.. But any of these HDs people seem to have used (including the fujitsu I am using) are either the same power or less -- which should not be an issue.
Very weird!
And I don't know if putting the old Z1 drive back in would work or not. I haven't read or heard anyone confirming that it works...
mickey,
yeah my drive is a fujitsu 40gb also... i thought my issue was solved but I went on a long drive today to the niagra area in new york and it started to happen again.. i disabled the locking on the drive before I put it in the system.. i wonder if the new z2 software has issues with drives with security disabled? or perhaps it just doesn't like fujitsu drives for some reason? it's very strange..
it's not a wiring issue or shock -- my z1 has always worked flawlessly and i never started to see this issue until i upgraded my unit with a new HD with the fresh Z2 image on it. i've also verified it can still occur when the car isn't even moving... my unit is 2-wire bypassed and the bypass is working perfectly. The issue does not seem to be temperature related either since I've verified that it happens in various environmental conditions throughout the day (sun, shade, etc.).
one other fellow had the same issue that I saw in another thread.. and i think he said it just eventually went away.. hopefully that will be the case for us as well!
if it doesn't, I might just try a different HD.
Ive used 3 different HD's 2 toshibas and one fujitsu. All 3 reboot here and there. Sometimes even when not moving. The only thing i can probally think off is that the original drive requires 5V DC 1.1A all the drives i have tried are 5V DC and either .7A or .5A I also didnt remove the security on the drives so all 3 are now locked( I have about 10 to play with). I am going to try a Hitachi drive now. Now I wonder can I just put the old Z1 drive back in and will it work being that the new software updated the firmware on the unit.
Thanks to all who helped put this image out BTW.
I saw someone mention the rebooting issue and he fixed it by removing his paired bluetooth devices. Not sure how they would still be there after swaping the drive though. Anyway thought I would mention it. I have my 60gb drive that came from my PS3, going to give that a try once I pick up a copy of acronis.
I have installed it on my original drive, after upgrading to a hitachi 80 gb I too was getting random reboots, so I decided to unlock my stock drive and reload this image onto it, works great, but it is much slower then the hitachi I was testing with which is a 5400 rpm drive, now I am thinking I'd like to try a 7200 rpm hdd. Maybe the reboots are something to do with the overall drive capacity,has anyone drive to cut the drive size of 60gb or 80gb drives down to just 40gb or 30gb and see if the reboots stop? I forgot to disable the password and locked my hitachi drive and the hddunlock program doesn't support hitachi drives so I have a brick, so I'm stuck with my original drive for now, but I would like to upgrade it to at least a 5400 rpm drive and I think I'm gonna try a 7200 and see if that's even faster then the 5400 I tried. At least I know I have a stable image on the stock drive just no extra music space and a much slower boot time, but at least the password on that drive is now disabled properly. I'll post back with the results of a 7200 rpm drive.
Sorry guys, I wasn't able to get the instructions up tonight, but if you look through the stickys in Hacks/Mods section of this forum (http://www.avic411.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=20) you should be able to figure everything out.
Here's the short version:
1. Pull your Z1 drive and unlock it. Instructions here:
http://www.avic411.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=728 (under the "Q: How can I unlock my drive?" question)
2. Download the Z2 image
torrents (or any other way posted in this thread):
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdmpastx/Z2B ... ar.torrent
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdmpastx/Z2B ... ar.torrent
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdmpastx/Z2B ... ar.torrent
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdmpastx/Z2B ... ar.torrent
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdmpastx/Z2B ... ar.torrent
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdmpastx/Z2B ... ar.torrent
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdmpastx/Z2B ... ar.torrent
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdmpastx/Z2B ... ar.torrent
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdmpastx/Z2B ... ar.torrent
3. Uncompress the downloaded files using WinRar.
4. Restore the uncompressed image to your Z1 drive using Acronis True Image Home 10.
5. Insert the drive back into your Z1 and let your system update. In less than 5 minutes, you will have a Z2.
I'll type up a more in depth version soon.
I have installed it on my original drive, after upgrading to a hitachi 80 gb I too was getting random reboots, so I decided to unlock my stock drive and reload this image onto it, works great, but it is much slower then the hitachi I was testing with which is a 5400 rpm drive, now I am thinking I'd like to try a 7200 rpm hdd. Maybe the reboots are something to do with the overall drive capacity,has anyone drive to cut the drive size of 60gb or 80gb drives down to just 40gb or 30gb and see if the reboots stop? I forgot to disable the password and locked my hitachi drive and the hddunlock program doesn't support hitachi drives so I have a brick, so I'm stuck with my original drive for now, but I would like to upgrade it to at least a 5400 rpm drive and I think I'm gonna try a 7200 and see if that's even faster then the 5400 I tried. At least I know I have a stable image on the stock drive just no extra music space and a much slower boot time, but at least the password on that drive is now disabled properly. I'll post back with the results of a 7200 rpm drive.
This would be great if we can get faster drives working.
Thanks AFMagnum for everything that you have done for us. You have been one of the major contributor to this forum and to all AVIC enthusiast. We are all very grateful.
I have a question in regards to using this Z2 image. Will the device ID be the same for everyone who uses this image or will it find the device ID of our individual Z1? I'm just wondering if this would perhaps affect future upgrades of the Z1/Z2's. Thank you.
Thanks AFMagnum for everything that you have done for us. You have been one of the major contributor to this forum and to all AVIC enthusiast. We are all very grateful.
I have a question in regards to using this Z2 image. Will the device ID be the same for everyone who uses this image or will it find the device ID of our individual Z1? I'm just wondering if this would perhaps affect future upgrades of the Z1/Z2's. Thank you.
The device ID stays the same. I had this same question when updating mine and I made sure to write it down before I imaged my drive. After converting to a Z2, I checked my ID and it was the same as before.
I saw someone mention the rebooting issue and he fixed it by removing his paired bluetooth devices. Not sure how they would still be there after swaping the drive though. Anyway thought I would mention it. I have my 60gb drive that came from my PS3, going to give that a try once I pick up a copy of acronis.
NOW, thats an idea! I also have a spare drive cause I upgraded my ps3
I saw someone mention the rebooting issue and he fixed it by removing his paired bluetooth devices. Not sure how they would still be there after swaping the drive though. Anyway thought I would mention it. I have my 60gb drive that came from my PS3, going to give that a try once I pick up a copy of acronis.
NOW, thats an idea! I also have a spare drive cause I upgraded my ps3
I just checked PS3 drive is SATA, we need an ATA don't we? Ah well excuse to buy a 7200 drive once some finds out the reboot issue I will pick on up.
Random rebooting shouldn't have anything to do with the bluetooth. The reboot timing changes depending on different variables of the drive and AVIC memory status. After removing the pairing, anybody who thinks that solved the problem has probably just gotten lucky on a few extended-time resets.
That said, you could do a 100% bitwise copy from a factory drive to a new one, only to find out it will reboot randomly, or worse- reboot into the "HD cannot be accessed" message.
It's drive dependant.
Random rebooting shouldn't have anything to do with the bluetooth. The reboot timing changes depending on different variables of the drive and AVIC memory status. After removing the pairing, anybody who thinks that solved the problem has probably just gotten lucky on a few extended-time resets.
That said, you could do a 100% bitwise copy from a factory drive to a new one, only to find out it will reboot randomly, or worse- reboot into the "HD cannot be accessed" message.
It's drive dependant.
I agree. Normally, the system reboots itself on memory access violation, or when the drive locks itself due to excessive shocks and vibrations. We may have to find an automotive drive. Anyone has any ideas where to find a 40GB Toshiba automotive hdd?
I ddidnt even have my phone hooked up and it still reboots every 10-30min. While driving or sitting still. Its defently the drive specs. I this morning used a 5400rpm hitachi and that reboots as well.
http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_id=H ... 3-AyDRkIA6
This place sells the same 30GB drive thats in the Z1 for $163
anyone resolve the random rebooting yet? I have a friend bringing me a 30gb hitachi today along with a toshia and another version of a seagate. i'll post my results later if they work.
Random rebooting shouldn't have anything to do with the bluetooth. The reboot timing changes depending on different variables of the drive and AVIC memory status. After removing the pairing, anybody who thinks that solved the problem has probably just gotten lucky on a few extended-time resets.
That said, you could do a 100% bitwise copy from a factory drive to a new one, only to find out it will reboot randomly, or worse- reboot into the "HD cannot be accessed" message.
It's drive dependant.
I finally got my Z2 installed and have been busy experimenting.
http://www.avic411.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 3399#63399
I believe we should be looking at power draw... I tried a 7200rpm drive and have ruled out vibration and heat as a cause of the reboots. You wanna see the unit reboot itself really quick, clone the image to a 7200 rpm drive. The thing reboots every 2-10 minutes.
I drive a M3, and drove around like I was at the track last night through some back roads. I can pretty much guarantee 100% that vibrations is NOT the cause of reboots. The unit will reboot on it's own within 10 mins sitting on the driveway. Heat, I'm not 100% sure yet, but I will verify tonight after I rig the HDD so it's external as a test. I'm almost certain it's power draw. I've had the thing reboot when the HDD was still pretty much cold.
Anyone wanna build an external power supply for the HDD? 
Random rebooting shouldn't have anything to do with the bluetooth. The reboot timing changes depending on different variables of the drive and AVIC memory status. After removing the pairing, anybody who thinks that solved the problem has probably just gotten lucky on a few extended-time resets.
That said, you could do a 100% bitwise copy from a factory drive to a new one, only to find out it will reboot randomly, or worse- reboot into the "HD cannot be accessed" message.
It's drive dependant.
I finally got my Z2 installed and have been busy experimenting.
http://www.avic411.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 3399#63399
I believe we should be looking at power draw... I tried a 7200rpm drive and have ruled out vibration and heat as a cause of the reboots. You wanna see the unit reboot itself really quick, clone the image to a 7200 rpm drive. The thing reboots every 2-10 minutes.
I drive a M3, and drove around like I was at the track last night through some back roads. I can pretty much guarantee 100% that vibrations is NOT the cause of reboots. The unit will reboot on it's own within 10 mins sitting on the driveway. Heat, I'm not 100% sure yet, but I will verify tonight after I rig the HDD so it's external as a test. I'm almost certain it's power draw. I've had the thing reboot when the HDD was still pretty much cold.
Anyone wanna build an external power supply for the HDD?
OK, if it is the power draw, is it due to the lack of power supplying to the HDD or to the whole unit. The later is easier to check if we can run a bigger wire from the battery to the unit.
OK, if it is the power draw, is it due to the lack of power supplying to the HDD or to the whole unit. The later is easier to check if we can run a bigger wire from the battery to the unit.
To the HDD. The unit doesn't reboot, only the portion that's running off the HDD (Nav, library). If you're listening to Ipod or XM, it'll still play without a glitch when the thing reboots, so the unit is working perfectly fine, just the Windows OS thinking there's a problem and rebooting.
OK, if it is the power draw, is it due to the lack of power supplying to the HDD or to the whole unit. The later is easier to check if we can run a bigger wire from the battery to the unit.To the HDD. The unit doesn't reboot, only the portion that's running off the HDD (Nav, library). If you're listening to Ipod or XM, it'll still play without a glitch when the thing reboots, so the unit is working perfectly fine, just the Windows OS thinking there's a problem and rebooting.
If that's the case, look like we have to use another 4200rpm drive. Will look to see if I have one around to test. Good experiment guys, keep it up.
To the HDD. The unit doesn't reboot, only the portion that's running off the HDD (Nav, library). If you're listening to Ipod or XM, it'll still play without a glitch when the thing reboots, so the unit is working perfectly fine, just the Windows OS thinking there's a problem and rebooting.
Actually, you will hear the source fade out for about 1/4 of a second as the amplifiers power cycle. This may not be the case with external amps.
I experienced the exact same thing (only reboots about once an hour with mine) with a Hitachi 5400 RPM drive. I'm waiting on the Toshiba 5400 RPM drive that was recommended in another thread. It should arrive early this week. I'll test that out and post my results.
I agree that it seems like a power draw issue.
Dave
Hyperite is right.. You do get the audio cutting out for a brief moment... Nonetheless -- I was thinking along the same lines that it could be power related.. But that begs the question why a 5400rpm drive would cause the issue while a 4200rpm would not, even if they have the same power specs? However, perhaps it is just the max specs that are the same and not the typical case power numbers. I'm guessing the motor that spins faster will draw more current -- so I think it's a good guess!
Let's keep trying stuff and see what happens! Can you even buy 4200rpm laptop drives for cheap? My local shop only has the 5400 drives!!
I experienced the exact same thing (only reboots about once an hour with mine) with a Hitachi 5400 RPM drive. I'm waiting on the Toshiba 5400 RPM drive that was recommended in another thread. It should arrive early this week. I'll test that out and post my results.
I agree that it seems like a power draw issue.
Dave