thinking about trading out as well unless we can find a way to open the firmware files (which we wont cause they are compiled so are most likely just binary noise with a bunch of placeholder 0's and nonsense).

I have plenty of programming experience but none in android / compiling android. But all of their code is published as open source, so I feel we have everything we need, I just don't have the right experience for this code.

http://www.oss-pioneer.com/car/multimedia/files/avic-5000nex/index.htmlcode for our units (X000NEX)

http://www.oss-pioneer.com/car/multimedia/files/avic-5100nex/index.htmlcode for X100NEX Units

Im going with the Kennwood releasing next month or waiting for Parrot one that looks good but wont be released til later this year. Pioneer will never get another cent front me

Im going with the Kennwood releasing next month or waiting for Parrot one that looks good but wont be released til later this year. Pioneer will never get another cent front me

I am very hopeful but cautious when it comes to the Parrot. It's nice to finally see a headunits with a resolution that isn't from the 90s. However based on reviews previous parrot head units have had subpar audio quality and a lot of glitches.

They are however still updating the Parrot asteroid head units with new features and bug fixes so at least they support their hardware for longer than 10 minutes unlike Pioneer.

Honestly I have an iPhone and carplay works fine on my 4000. Until someone makes makes a headunits with a proven display that doesn't suck and has the audio quality deserved of the 600-1400 bucks we pay for these things I'm not upgrading.

Sorry, I should have stated the navigation does come back when I reinstall 1.08.

If you're still on 1.08 try doing a full system restore and pressing the reset button on the front of the radio. Other people that have had issues in putting 1.08 in their head unit have had luck with this.

I am no expert in this matter but after reading the entire thread for this I see everyone is trying to replace the files in the Bluetooth folder only (I think) but there are two .ver files for bluetooth on the root of the folder PJ150BT.VER and PJ140BTL.VER has anyone tried replacing those with the 1.08 version along with the bluetooth folder?  

I am no expert in this matter but after reading the entire thread for this I see everyone is trying to replace the files in the Bluetooth folder only (I think) but there are two .ver files for bluetooth on the root of the folder PJ150BT.VER and PJ140BTL.VER has anyone tried replacing those with the 1.08 version along with the bluetooth folder?  

*PJ140BT.VER

We were able to flash the x100 bluetooth to x000 units but it has not changed anything. The new 1.03 OS for the x100 still doesnt function with bluetooth on a x000 unit.

So when you say bluetooth does that include telephony and audio?

I am no expert in this matter but after reading the entire thread for this I see everyone is trying to replace the files in the Bluetooth folder only (I think) but there are two .ver files for bluetooth on the root of the folder PJ150BT.VER and PJ140BTL.VER has anyone tried replacing those with the 1.08 version along with the bluetooth folder?

I have, same results unfortunately.

So when you say bluetooth does that include telephony and audio?

Correct. Any info (song titles, phonebook/contacts) works, but no bt audio (neither music nor phone).

How big is the file? I always get to 83Mb and download fails...please help!!

I think both firmware files are around 400MB. I'm at work and can't check, but that's what I recall.

Just a dumb question possibly, but is it possible the Bluetooth chips are different generations i.e. Bluetooth 3.1 vs 4.0? Could that be the reason that it is not initializing with the update? I am also guessing that Pioneer has made it so the units cannot be updated with full functionality to "force" consumers to continue purchasing product...

Just a dumb question possibly, but is it possible the Bluetooth chips are different generations i.e. Bluetooth 3.1 vs 4.0? Could that be the reason that it is not initializing with the update? I am also guessing that Pioneer has made it so the units cannot be updated with full functionality to "force" consumers to continue purchasing product...

I think more the second one. What Pioneer is doing isn't new for them. The Appradio 2 and 3 were the exact same unit if you got the model that didn't have the DVD player. However Pioneer never gave the Appradio 2 the 3's software or unlocked the Appradio 2's bluetooth streaming which its parrot bluetooth chip could handle. 

Edit: and for shits and giggles I checked the 4100 manual. Still bluetooth 3.0 but that was a theory that makes sense. 

Seriously though it's the same radio and the only reason we don't have the update is because Pioneer doesn't care about their customers. They could have even gone the 5000/6000 route and just updated our radio with new features but not given us Android auto. The new update has a lot of new features unrelated to Android Auto. Better nav system in the NEX's that support it, itunes radio tagging, updated bluetooth firmware, better iDatalink support and so much more that they could have given us but didn't because Pioneer thinks that software updates cost the price of a headunit. 

I think more the second one. What Pioneer is doing isn't new for them. The Appradio 2 and 3 were the exact same unit if you got the model that didn't have the DVD player. However Pioneer never gave the Appradio 2 the 3's software or unlocked the Appradio 2's bluetooth streaming which its parrot bluetooth chip could handle.

 

Edit: and for shits and giggles I checked the 4100 manual. Still bluetooth 3.0 but that was a theory that makes sense.

 

Seriously though it's the same radio and the only reason we don't have the update is because Pioneer doesn't care about their customers. They could have even gone the 5000/6000 route and just updated our radio with new features but not given us Android auto. The new update has a lot of new features unrelated to Android Auto. Better nav system in the NEX's that support it, itunes radio tagging, updated bluetooth firmware, better iDatalink support and so much more that they could have given us but didn't because Pioneer thinks that software updates cost the price of a headunit.

I definitely agree. I seriously regret getting a pioneer head unit. Less than a year old and just dumping the product.

I definitely agree. I seriously regret getting a pioneer head unit. Less than a year old and just dumping the product.

Indeed, it's a very poor business practice for Pioneer to do business this way. While there may be a legitimate reason for it to not add Android Auto, there's no reason to stop supporting the '000 series. That said, I do not find it all that lacking as a radio and am not sure much else out there is better (which is why Pioneer can get away with providing awful customer service). I really do expect Pioneer to update to make the unit snappier, etc, and to function better overall, but never expected Apple-like updates. As for the functions they said were available and never provided, Avicsync and proper idatalink car support, that's a serious issue they should resolve.

Indeed, it's a very poor business practice for Pioneer to do business this way. While there may be a legitimate reason for it to not add Android Auto, there's no reason to stop supporting the '000 series. That said, I do not find it all that lacking as a radio and am not sure much else out there is better (which is why Pioneer can get away with providing awful customer service). I really do expect Pioneer to update to make the unit snappier, etc, and to function better overall, but never expected Apple-like updates. As for the functions they said were available and never provided, Avicsync and proper idatalink car support, that's a serious issue they should resolve.

Pioneer right now mediocrity in a sea of garbage. The head unit manufacturers are not innovating. Frankly I'm glad for CarPlay and android auto because my radio will receive updates and new functionality over time from apple instead of from pioneer.

In the 8.3 beta the album art looks better and once again works with third party apps, the phone no longer needs to be unlocked to use CarPlay,(you just tell the phone to trust this head unit and it auto launches after that) the maps now does this thing where if you don't touch it it hides buttons automatically to dedicate more of the screen to the map, Siri has a new button to let me call the person to reply to a text and I have no doubt in the future there will be a button to send audio messages for iMessage conversations.

When the interface comes from my phone I don't have to care about the pioneer one. I already have an interface from apple.

I am very hopeful but cautious when it comes to the Parrot. It's nice to finally see a headunits with a resolution that isn't from the 90s. However based on reviews previous parrot head units have had subpar audio quality and a lot of glitches.

 

They are however still updating the Parrot asteroid head units with new features and bug fixes so at least they support their hardware for longer than 10 minutes unlike Pioneer.

 

Honestly I have an iPhone and carplay works fine on my 4000. Until someone makes makes a headunits with a proven display that doesn't suck and has the audio quality deserved of the 600-1400 bucks we pay for these things I'm not upgrading.

LOL you said Parrot Head

Guys,

tried preforming the update yesterday on my head unit but didn't take it.

I currently run a 1.02 firmware on my 4000

any suggestions?

I followed the directions carefully

This what I tried so far:

1. multiple download incase the files got corrupted

2. multiple different SD and thumb drives

Ideas?

Thanks

Per Pioneer the first gen NEX units do not meet the android auto requirements. 

Per Pioneer the first gen NEX units do not meet the android auto requirements. 

And what are those requirements? (If you got them)

I though it was only the display that was different, no?

I don't it was email I got back from pioneer support.

If you do a side by side comparison on the Pioneer site you will see that the units are "feature" identical except when it comes to the screens and Android Auto support. This of course doesnt mean they are "chip identical" but someone else has already tore apart the 4000 and 4100 to reveal they are pretty much the same device sans screen. That doesnt mean the 8000 and 8100 are, but it is suspected to be as well. The Android Auto difference must have been in the screen, but we can see that it works anyway using the hacked x100 software on a x000 unit (even though bluetooth isnt currently working). So more than likely, this is something that could be implemented on our x000 devices with a general disclaimer of "it may not work as well as the x100 that was designed specifically to Googles specs".

Pioneer more than likely will never do that. Even though I would gladly pay say... $100 or so to update to the new "features" of the x100 platform. Note that I am not wanting to pay for "features" that I have already paid for and STILL EXPECT TO GET  *cough AVICSYNC cough*. They really could learn from the phone manufacturers who send out free updates across several generations of devices, with each getting a little slower, but still having general functionality of the newer devices. Eventually we would all ditch our x000 devices for the x400 device because it was so much quicker than our devices.

Or just go open source and let us customize our own devices like we used to do with the AVIC700/900 series.

If you do a side by side comparison on the Pioneer site you will see that the units are "feature" identical except when it comes to the screens and Android Auto support. This of course doesnt mean they are "chip identical" but someone else has already tore apart the 4000 and 4100 to reveal they are pretty much the same device sans screen. That doesnt mean the 8000 and 8100 are, but it is suspected to be as well. The Android Auto difference must have been in the screen, but we can see that it works anyway using the hacked x100 software on a x000 unit (even though bluetooth isnt currently working). So more than likely, this is something that could be implemented on our x000 devices with a general disclaimer of "it may not work as well as the x100 that was designed specifically to Googles specs".

 

Pioneer more than likely will never do that. Even though I would gladly pay say... $100 or so to update to the new "features" of the x100 platform. Note that I am not wanting to pay for "features" that I have already paid for and STILL EXPECT TO GET  *cough AVICSYNC cough*. They really could learn from the phone manufacturers who send out free updates across several generations of devices, with each getting a little slower, but still having general functionality of the newer devices. Eventually we would all ditch our x000 devices for the x400 device because it was so much quicker than our devices.

 

Or just go open source and let us customize our own devices like we used to do with the AVIC700/900 series.

It will never go open source due to Android and CarPlay.  Especially CarPlay, apple would not want anyone modifying CarPlay