A recovery mode might allow for more options, but I fear there is a checksum in the btl and/or udp files for the saf (which looks to be the actual radio firmware) file. If so, they could have padded the files to look the same size but they are actually quite different and they are rejected.
Unfortunately I am out of time to play. Wish I had my unit on my work bench in my office instead of 16 floors away, then again my boss might not approve of that level of outside devotion. Ah Pioneer!!!!
I have an idea, but it's insanity. The NEX has a recovery system for if the radio has a catastrophic failure during the update like if lets say you turned off the car during. My guess is that it would be a full wipe of the system to return to stock, vs an update only changes the files that need changing. If I were to do this hacked update and then force restart the radio while it's going it might force it to do a full fresh install which could install the missing parts of the firmware that is causing it to act up.
I'm not crazy enough to do this, but I'm tempted.
For what it's worth, I had that same thought. Maybe one of us will get the courage...
I have an idea, but it's insanity. The NEX has a recovery system for if the radio has a catastrophic failure during the update like if lets say you turned off the car during. My guess is that it would be a full wipe of the system to return to stock, vs an update only changes the files that need changing. If I were to do this hacked update and then force restart the radio while it's going it might force it to do a full fresh install which could install the missing parts of the firmware that is causing it to act up.
I'm not crazy enough to do this, but I'm tempted.
I actually thought about it to. I just don't want to do it myself but I'd love someone else to lol
I actually thought about it to. I just don't want to do it myself but I'd love someone else to lol
I have the UK equivalent to the 4000 in England (Europe) it is called the AVH-X8600BT would this work on the European version? The latest firmware is http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/support/software/AVH-X8600BT/page.html#download_429
I have the UK equivalent to the 4000 in England (Europe) it is called the AVH-X8600BT would this work on the European version? The latest firmware is http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/support/software/AVH-X8600BT/page.html#download_429
Yea, Its the same file when you download the update.
Again, without BT working its useless.
Ahh this is really frustrating. Everything works except BT audio, it connects and shows you whats playing but wont do audio. Then as soon as you downgrade it works again. Theres got to be a way.
If we could get "bushing"'s help from https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2014/enhancing-the-avic-5000nex-pt2.html we might get somewhere. I can't find any contact info on that site anywhere.
hey guys so sorry i've been AFK, been busy at work. I completely agree about getting to a recovery mode, and whomever posted the screens of the HW versions I was curious about checking this as well.
The interesting thing is that under Bluetooth there is a separate option for update Bluetooth software (or something very similar) but I have not seen a separate Bluetooth software update from pioneer to try anything with.
I don't think i'm ballsy enough to try to FORCE the update to fail haha... My thoughts are that it keeps a backup of the image locally before installing the new OS and if the OS fails then upon next boot it just resorts back to the old OS. Complete guess though as I obviously haven't tried it. IDK it might not really break anything, I mean pioneer has to have thought of a secure way of handling this without ruining peoples HW due to something stupid like taking the key out or the battery not lasting through the update.
Anyone have the stones?
Getting bluetooth Audio can't be as hard as it looks right now.....
another interesting find about the bluetooth audio... wonder if anyone else has noticed this.
If I play SXM and then try to load pandora (via bluetooth), I get so no sounds obviously, but when I return to SXM the volume is SUPER muted. at full blast i can now barely hear SXM playing.
Has anyone else noticed this? I wonder if it really is just bluetooth or if its something bigger with audio management in the system...
Thoughts?
My money is on the audio management system
This is the reason why i wont buy anther pioneer product, instead of releasing a simple firmware update (obviously the units have no problem with the software) they make us jump through hoops to get it going. The units are less than a year old, unreal
This is the reason why i wont buy anther pioneer product, instead of releasing a simple firmware update (obviously the units have no problem with the software) they make us jump through hoops to get it going. The units are less than a year old, unreal
agreed.... BUTTTT at the same time I prefer their looks and final products over the competition any day. Nothing looks as good or runs as smooth in my opinion. I just hate the life cycle. thats mostly due to it being a small market and lack of competition though.
agreed.... BUTTTT at the same time I prefer their looks and final products over the competition any day. Nothing looks as good or runs as smooth in my opinion. I just hate the life cycle. thats mostly due to it being a small market and lack of competition though.
Idk the Alpine ILX is a perfect carplay radio and its display is miles better than even the 8000 in color accuracy. Different reviewers have noted it has better audio quality as well. It's main interface sucks even more than pioneer because just like you say Pioneer is the best in the business for interface (which is sad because their interface is not that great) but all I want is a carplay radio.
Seriously with the Alpine you can truly see the album art. I can do some tricks to force the album art to show on my 4000 but it doesn't look good and then the maps and the other apps look wrong. On the Alpine the album art takes the whole screen with a light fade at the bottom. It's night and day. If I was buying today I wouldn't have gone Pioneer especially with how they handled the whole update debacle in the first place.
so about this whole open source thing....
http://www.oss-pioneer.com/car/multimedia/files/avic-5000nex/index.html
http://www.oss-pioneer.com/car/multimedia/files/avic-5100nex/index.html
if this is separate from the firmware, as my understanding of this post after a very brief read makes me think it might be.
https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2014/enhancing-the-avic-5000nex-pt2.html
How do we use the OS files to get the 4000 up to date. I mean hell if its all out there, how do we get it onto the 4000?
anyone know how to contact this fail0verflow site? seems this is right up there alley, and since the tools are all laid out i'm wondering if we can entice them to take a look.
yeah i had another issue when I updated my 8000nex to the 8100nex firmware, I use the Idatalink meastro RR on my f-150 for my steering controls, and when I updated to the 8100nex firmware, my device number changed on the 8000nex and my steering wheels would not work anymore, so I tried to reflash the module with the new device number and as 8100nex radio and there website would give me invalid serial number for my 8000 that had the 8100nex firmware, so I gave up and put the 8000 firmware back on the unit and everything worked again, I did noticed there was more features in the navigation side for the AVICSYNC which my 8000nex doesn`t have it actually has screen that pops up and wants you to associate a new phone see pic below, but at this moment I`m going to wait and see when Pioneer brings out Avicsync, if they do I might just jump to the 8100nex sorry about the dust on the radio screen the damn thing collect it like magnet lol
I am starting to believe that this is futile and we are locked into what we have. kinda sad. So I am starting to think about making the jump and see what I can get for my radio on eBay or craigslist. the only thing I don't look forward to is removing my dash again (subaru crosstrek, the damn climate control cables are a female dog) and re-programing the steering wheel controls
anyone know how to contact this fail0verflow site? seems this is right up there alley, and since the tools are all laid out i'm wondering if we can entice them to take a look.
fail0verflow is on Avic411 as the user Bushing, you can read it in the first post of this topic: http://avic411.com/index.php?/topic/38859-nex-runs-android-and-other-useless-info/so just send him a private message...
sent a message, time to wait and see.
fail0verflow is on Avic411 as the user Bushing, you can read it in the first post of this topic: http://avic411.com/index.php?/topic/38859-nex-runs-android-and-other-useless-info/so just send him a private message...
He hasn't posted since he posted for that forum topic. I doubt he is checking this site.
Hey guys,
I'm new to this. I just downloaded both the 4000NEX and 4100NEX.
What IF we try to do update the Bluetooth only.
Meaning copy over the BT folder from the 4100 FW to the 4000 FW and preform an update. Will it work? or the codes would be incompatible?
In this way we can see if the new BT firmware will work with the current 4000NEX hardware.
Any thoughts?
Hey guys,
I'm new to this. I just downloaded both the 4000NEX and 4100NEX.
What IF we try to do update the Bluetooth only.
Meaning copy over the BT folder from the 4100 FW to the 4000 FW and preform an update. Will it work? or the codes would be incompatible?
In this way we can see if the new BT firmware will work with the current 4000NEX hardware.
Any thoughts?
Try it out , let us know.
Try it out , let us know.
I would if I could but I cant because I don't have a test unit.
Hey guys,
I'm new to this. I just downloaded both the 4000NEX and 4100NEX.
What IF we try to do update the Bluetooth only.
Meaning copy over the BT folder from the 4100 FW to the 4000 FW and preform an update. Will it work? or the codes would be incompatible?
In this way we can see if the new BT firmware will work with the current 4000NEX hardware.
Any thoughts?
I'll bite for this one. Sure.