actually no they arent bad, yes they are a bit slow for the load up but hey id rather have that than a disk. but it seems to me all the people that are compaining have probably payed full price in a store... yes the price 1100 in stores, but on the interenet they are like 650 to 700 i say thats a steal. and the ipod connectivity is freaking amazing plus the video quality is quite nice too. i got my f900bt for 220$ BRAND NEW, AND WOW I REALLY CANT complain at all except my install was very time consuming, i had to cut my dash and make a dash kit, stupid tsx! but im very happy