hallr7 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Has anyone tried to update more than one radio with the same SD update cards. I have two vehicles at my house that both have a f700bt and i would hate to buy two sets of cards if i can do it with one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dianebrat Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 The media key is unique to the device key, and each radio has a different ID. This isn't a "you get to install as many as you want for free" update, this is a "you bought the upgrade for a single unit." upgrade sorry, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garypen Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 The media key is unique to the device key, and each radio has a different ID.This isn't a "you get to install as many as you want for free" update, this is a "you bought the upgrade for a single unit." upgrade sorry, The media key is not unique to the device key. The media key that comes in the package with the update has nothing to do with the device key of the AVIC unit. However, the password generated at https://www.pioneernavigationupdate.com ... ionupdate/ from entering the media key and device key is unique. And, that is where the real issue is. Does the password generator keep a history of the media keys that have been entered? If not, then that same key can be entered alone with the device key from the 2nd unit. However, there is a damn good chance that Pioneer does keep a history, and will not allow a media key being used more than once in the password generator. The big question, as asked by the OP, is "Has anyone actually tried using the discs on more than one unit?" If so, and you were successful, how did you go about doing it? Was it as simple as going back to the password generator and entering the media key with the 2nd device key? And, if it wasn't successful, where did it fail? Was it at the password generator? Or, did it succeed there, but fail at the unit? If the latter, it could be a file is changed or written to the SD card during that first update. Here's another alternative that may work, and I wonder if anybody has attempted it: Can the actual system files be copied from the updated unit to the 2nd unit using an SD card? It seems like a possibility. What would prevent that? BTW, Pioneer may not consider this a "you get to install as many as you want for free" update, but it f-ing well should be. I can understand charging for map updates, as they must pay TeleAtlas for them. But, the system FW/SW should be free, as they are only correcting their own original mistakes. It should be available as a download on their website, the way 2.0 and 2.06 were. They can sell the map disc separately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobD Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 " . . * Input media number is already in use. * (Error Code: 10) . . . This is the message if you use previously used media code and another (in my case the second one) device number. I do have two units and i have purchased two updates separately (Pioneer and Crutchfield). After reading your question, I just tried to see what is going to happen . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garypen Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Thanks. I assumed that something like that would happen. Now, the question is, can the system files be copied from the updated unit to the 2nd unit via SD card in test mode? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miotoo Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 It is technically possible to copy the entire flash disk from one device and it works flawlessly on another. This has been done multiple times on this forum with the entire range. The question on hand about the possibilities are whether it is (A) Technically limited &( Legal. This is where the media check comes into play. By logging your device id (hardware serial number) in conjunction with the media id (the specific mailed package) you are binding yourself LEGALLY to a unique installation. Pioneer updater is not generating a unique license file specific to your device, so there's no TECHNICAL limitation implemented, but rather challenges your interaction to enable the process completion. It is basically extending the original software license agreement you did pay for when you bought the device. The technicality of using the update is therefore limited in its process, not content. If copied from one device to another, or from the sd cards to the device in an alternate way using testmode, its the process being bypassed, not a software modification taking place. When the executable is patched to work with any license file or world map, then its a software hack. Both are a breach of the original user agreement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dianebrat Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 BTW, Pioneer may not consider this a "you get to install as many as you want for free" update, but it f-ing well should be. I can understand charging for map updates, as they must pay TeleAtlas for them. But, the system FW/SW should be free, as they are only correcting their own original mistakes. It should be available as a download on their website, the way 2.0 and 2.06 were. They can sell the map disc separately. No matter what our personal opinions are, plain and simple, you're bootlegging software for multiple installations that you only purchased a single usage for. If you're willing to bootleg it that way, you might as well use the unofficial 3.x hacked software, it's still not legit, but most likely an easier install. Yes, it would have been nice to have it be a free upgrade, but that's not what Pioneer did, and they own the intellectual property and code, so it's their football, and they can take it home if they don't want to play, they make the rules on its usage, not us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garypen Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 It may be their football. But, if they're gonna be a-holes about controlling the game, I'll just take the football, and they can watch people play fairly and squarely without their bullying. And, while we're at it, maybe we'll patch some of the holes in the football that we paid them to use in the first place. BTW, since you are such a nice compliant consumer, willing to accept anything offered to you with no questions asked and a smile on your face, I have a bunch of stuff I think you should buy. Just send me money. I'll ship it right out. It all works great too. I'll show you lots of shiny marketing materials with pretty pictures that say so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garypen Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Pioneer updater is not generating a unique license file specific to your device, so there's no TECHNICAL limitation implemented, but rather challenges your interaction to enable the process completion.Are you sure about that? What would be the point of having to enter a password during the update process then? It seems to me that the password is generated based on the device ID using a specific algorithm. And, that unique password will only work on that device. Otherwise, what is to stop people from simply using that same password on a 2nd or 3rd unit, ad infinitum? And, the media ID is the single-use key through the gateway to the password generation. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Quite frankly, I'm hoping that I am, and one can use the same password on multiple units.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hallr7 Posted September 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Pioneer updater is not generating a unique license file specific to your device, so there's no TECHNICAL limitation implemented, but rather challenges your interaction to enable the process completion.Are you sure about that? What would be the point of having to enter a password during the update process then? It seems to me that the password is generated based on the device ID using a specific algorithm. And, that unique password will only work on that device. Otherwise, what is to stop people from simply using that same password on a 2nd or 3rd unit, ad infinitum? And, the media ID is the single-use key through the gateway to the password generation. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Quite frankly, I'm hoping that I am, and one can use the same password on multiple units.) Your right about the algorithm, but the same password won't work on two radios because of the unique id of each radio. Once someone comes up with a KeyGen using the SD ID and Device ID algorithm we will be set. I was really hoping pioneer didn't think of keeping track of what SD cards have been used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dianebrat Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 It may be their football. But, if they're gonna be a-holes about controlling the game, I'll just take the football, and they can watch people play fairly and squarely without their bullying. And, while we're at it, maybe we'll patch some of the holes in the football that we paid them to use in the first place. BTW, since you are such a nice compliant consumer, willing to accept anything offered to you with no questions asked and a smile on your face, I have a bunch of stuff I think you should buy. Just send me money. I'll ship it right out. It all works great too. I'll show you lots of shiny marketing materials with pretty pictures that say so. Hey, we all have our lines, and don't mistake my respect for intellectual property for being an idiot, because I'm not. Pioneer made the rules for this upgrade process, and they control it, and their take is one upgrade purchase, one key/password, you want a 2nd, you buy a 2nd. Feel free to call Pioneer support and argue your case Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miotoo Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Pioneer updater is not generating a unique license file specific to your device, so there's no TECHNICAL limitation implemented, but rather challenges your interaction to enable the process completion.Are you sure about that? What would be the point of having to enter a password during the update process then? It seems to me that the password is generated based on the device ID using a specific algorithm. And, that unique password will only work on that device. Otherwise, what is to stop people from simply using that same password on a 2nd or 3rd unit, ad infinitum? And, the media ID is the single-use key through the gateway to the password generation. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Quite frankly, I'm hoping that I am, and one can use the same password on multiple units.) Indeed you can't use the same password on more then one unit - but you need it in the first place ONLY IF you use the automated updater given to you with the software update. As I mentioned earlier - the password generation is only a step to limit the update process and collect information centrally. The result of this password generation is merely to allow you to complete a file copying routine, it does not generate any unique file and no device-specific information is written to your unit. You are legally obliged to use the updater as part of buying the software update, and going through the website is the binding process. If you find an alternative way of uploading the files from the sd cards to your device, mimicking the updater - you have bypassed the technical limitation set in front of you and broke the legal agreement. There are no other technical limitations for the update to work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danielwesley Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 has anyone tried to make an image of the SD disks? I've read that if you use the second disk after you've performed the 3.0/1 unofficial upgrade that it doesn't ask for a p/w and it updates the HU. (Maybe it's just FW and no maps ... not sure). I'd like to see what I could do about getting the software installed by bypassing the device ID process, or merely circumventing it for testing purposes - of course. If anyone can make images of their two SD cards, that would be a start. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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