panteralkn Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 just reviewing my notes and trying to find a couple more answers. I have just about all my equipment in and will be doing the install in the next few day's. I went with the Avic-z120bt, JL Audio XD600/6, sirius connect, hd radio and the boyo wireless b/up camera. I think I know how I'm doing everything but the speed signal input (the pink wire) and the reverse wire hookup. where should those go? do i need to re-wire any of my stock speakers when using the JL amp? thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RonS Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 just reviewing my notes and trying to find a couple more answers. I have just about all my equipment in and will be doing the install in the next few day's. I went with the Avic-z120bt, JL Audio XD600/6, sirius connect, hd radio and the boyo wireless b/up camera. I think I know how I'm doing everything but the speed signal input (the pink wire) and the reverse wire hookup. where should those go? do i need to re-wire any of my stock speakers when using the JL amp? thanks! First, brave soul, many P owners would rather overpay a specialty house to do this. Good for you!!! I have a 2010 987 Cayman that I installed a Z110-BT in a few weeks after taking possession. But I had help from an experienced P car owner& owner of EuroMotorSpeed.com. He manufactures and sells conversion kits. Next some questions: 1. What year? 2. What are you replacing? CR220? CDR23?, probably not PCMx. 3. What is the stock speaker config? Any existing amp? How many speakers? 4. Where did you get the 2din bezel and harness adapter (you aren't planning on splicing, are you?) I don't have any specific knowledge of the 996, and from what I found so far, it looks like the console and bezel is completely different. So I can't give you specific wire locations. Have you checked the 996 forum on 6speedonline.com? These issues have been discussed there. It doesn't have to be an AVIC install, any unit with a VSS will do. Since you are installing a b-u camera, run the reverse wire back to the rear light fixture along with the coax for the camera. Tap the reverse wire in to the same place as you get the power for the camera (your backup lights). The speed pulse sensor (pink wire) will take someone with more experience than me. Mine was tapped into a module in the frunk. The electronics on yours are probably a lot different, considering it is an older generation. BTW, VSS is not absolutley necessary, same as the reverse wire (unless you have a b-u camera). It just improves dead-reckoning when you don't have a satellite lock. Nice to have, but not a show-stopper. I would go ahead with your install, and just run the VSS wire through a grommet plug into the front trunk, so you can install it later once you get the specifics on your car. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
panteralkn Posted October 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Next some questions: 1. What year? its a 2003 2. What are you replacing? CR220? CDR23?, probably not PCMx. CDR23 (that's why i got a new amp as well) 3. What is the stock speaker config? Any existing amp? How many speakers? stock 4. Where did you get the 2din bezel and harness adapter (you aren't planning on splicing, are you?) - I've been waiting on Eurospeed -- they are out of the kits right now. I don't have any specific knowledge of the 996, and from what I found so far, it looks like the console and bezel is completely different. So I can't give you specific wire locations. Have you checked the 996 forum on 6speedonline.com? These issues have been discussed there. It doesn't have to be an AVIC install, any unit with a VSS will do. yes I've looked on their - without much luck.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RonS Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Next some questions: 1. What year? its a 2003 2. What are you replacing? CR220? CDR23?, probably not PCMx. CDR23 (that's why i got a new amp as well) 3. What is the stock speaker config? Any existing amp? How many speakers? stock 4. Where did you get the 2din bezel and harness adapter (you aren't planning on splicing, are you?) - I've been waiting on Eurospeed -- they are out of the kits right now. I don't have any specific knowledge of the 996, and from what I found so far, it looks like the console and bezel is completely different. So I can't give you specific wire locations. Have you checked the 996 forum on 6speedonline.com? These issues have been discussed there. It doesn't have to be an AVIC install, any unit with a VSS will do. yes I've looked on their - without much luck.... OK, since you are working with EuroMotorSpeed, you will probably get install instructions with the kit. They are sort of generic instructions - not Pioneer specific, but they will give locations on where/how to hook-up these sensors. Call or ask Loi, he will e-mail you the installation instructions. BTW, I just checked his e-bay store and I didn't see any kits for the 996. And his web-site EuroMotorSpeed.com seems hosed. I found that the Z120 amp was more than enough to drive my 4 stock speakers. You may too. 50Wx4ch isn't mind-blowing, but we're talking about a pretty small space. The sound was much better than my CRD30. Even better bass. I had bought a powered sub-woofer before the install, but with the Z120's improved equalization, I don't think it was necessary for better-than-decent sound. Confession: I'm not an audiophile. I prefer the sound of the flat-6 symphony behind my head I got the Z110 (upgraded to the Z120) mainly as a resonably cheap way of adding iPod and BT. The Nav was just a bonus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
panteralkn Posted October 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 yeah - he is out of the current bezel -- so he is sending me the kit with the discontinued one and will send me the new one when it comes in. he did answer my wiring questions - i think i'm good to go -- should have all my parts in by monday! and i agree -- the sound of my porsche with the sport exhaust is great! love getting on the gas! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Itsme Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 If you have any additional Porsche technical question you can also ask Renntech. They are an amazing P-car technical forum: www.renntech.org Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beretta Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I just installed a Z120 into my 996 about 2 weeks ago. Your going to love it. Fairly simple install considering I was replacing a Dual Din Eclipse model which had been professionally installed so all I really had to do was snip the wires to my existing unit and wire it to the Pioneer harness. Easy enough right? Still took me 4 hours to install. Getting everything to fit, hiding wiring and securing everything always takes longer than you think, and I'm pretty particular about my car and how it looks so I took extra attention. Since you have instructions and a wiring harness you should be good to go. All of my wiring into the vehicle (brake/speed sensor/factory speaker locations) came off a factory wire harness, so once you find that, its just a matter of determining which wire is which. For my install, I also have a JL Audio 6 channel amp in the "trunk" which powers all of the Focal speakers in the dash, doors and rear factory locations. I put a custom subwoofer enclosure behind the rear seats with 2 8" subs powered by a dedicated 500w amp also mounted in the 'trunk'. I like all sorts of music, but I prefer my bass tight rather than boomy (as if I had a choice - the 8's fit perfect and anything larger wouldn't have looked right). That being said, in the small space I have, with the power I'm driving, it will boom. It also delivers tight bass with a bass drum that sounds like a bass drum and will play loud and clean until it hurts without distortion. I fabricated a false floor in the trunk and put the amps underneath so I could keep as much space as possible for storage (hey we need all we can get!) and also have clean, short power connections to the battery and ground. Ran all the RCA and control cables up underneath and into the dash which was a pain, but there is room. The amp in the unit is actually pretty clean, but you've got the 6 channel which will be better. Great choice. Our cars are small inside so they dont need a ton of power to be loud, but I like to be able to hear the music when my windows or sunroof are down, and of course, when its up I want to be able to turn it up on occasion (I try not to - I'm 43 and already loosing some hearing from too many loud systems and concerts for too long....I know I should know better but I love music and its hard not to listen to it loud when it sounds SO good.) Onto the install - sorry! The key thing you will need is the mounting cage and bezel. Once you take out the factory deck and move the AC and storage units below (you will need a Porsche factory bezel to move the AC - let me know if you need the part number), you will find the opening doesn't support the traditional install type where you are just going to be able to place the cage and bend the tabs to hold it in. I highly recommend the Connects2 CT23PO02 double DIN install kit from Sonic Electronix.com. Its 129 dollars, but it will come with everything you will need. If its cheaper, or you dont want to wait, it will work well. It doesn't come with any sort of wiring harness, this is just the mounting kit. Once its in, it looks better than factory and will give you a ton of advanced features that you will love (which you already know about since you chose this unit!). http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_26489_Connects2+CT23PO02.html I ended up screwing the cage in to secure it, it will take some trial and error to find the correct alignment and position so that it sits flush when everything is put back together as well as to find the correct position that will allow the bezel to be secured when it clips in. Too far one way or the other and it will not look right. Note of advice, put a towel over your gear shifter and center console to avoid scratching it or the plastic around it as you install. The picture on their website shows only one bezel, it actually came with 2. Great looking bezel. My previous Eclipse install forced me to actually fabricate a bezel (yeah - good times on that. Cut out black plastic facing material and built it up with body filler compound to the right shape...sand sand sand..paint...sand...) Which turned out very nice but about 8 hours of work just for the bezel. The one that came with the kit looks factory. I've attached a very nice custom Porsche wallpaper/load screen that I think is great - enjoy it. I ended up putting my XM receiver and GPS receiver antennas on either side of the alarm light location, center and top of the dash against the windshield and ran the cables behind and around the doors, then underneath the dash. I would recommend the XM receiver versus the Sirius. Same content, but with the XM receiver you will get the art for each channel which is nice. I put my XM receiver 'box' underneath the dash on the floorboard in the center, pull gently on the covers and you will find a spot where you can mount it. Its tight so you dont have to screw it in, once you cram it in there, its not going anywhere. Mine is fairly high up the floorboard so you can see it if your looking for it from the passenger side, but I'm OK with that. Overall install of the box and the antennas came out very clean and is a good location for both. I attached the mic to my sun visor, you can easily run the wire down the side pillar and around the door and under the dash in the same way as the antennas for the gps and XM. Mic location for me works great with the visor up, and if I need it to be more clear I can just tilt it down slightly but I don't find that I need to. I also bypassed of course. Really great unit, your going to love it. I use it with a iPhone 4. Only annoyances are having to goto the nav screen and press OK before it will index the voice response (why cant I just disable this if my music hasn't changed?), inability to turn off the clock display on the unit (I already have a clock on my dash, thanks), and I wish I could just turn off the voice turn by turn directions instead of turning off/down all the guidance. ( I can read the display, I dont need a play by play). Finally, I wish I could easily change the display from day/night for those times where I want to turn on my headlights during the day without dimming my display. Yes I realize that I can turn the brightness up, but I miss the one button convenience I had in my previous unit. If anyone knows how to fix or get around any of these I'm really appreciative of any advice or direction that I might have missed! All small things, iPhone bluetooth phone for me works fantastic, iPhone music both connected (use the actual Pioneer cable) or bluetooth works great. VR had a bit of learning curve but I've got it now and having a 6 speed its nice to have the ability to go completely hands free both with the phone and finding music when I'm in town or traffic. The touch screen had also a bit of learning curve, especially when trying to browse the music on my iPhone. I found that instead of trying to 'flick' it, if you take your finger and hold it to the screen while then pushing (keep your finger on the screen) either up or down, it will work much better and avoid selecting the artist your finger first touched rather than moving the menu up and down. It will also allow you to control the browsing speed better. Some dont like the Navigation. I like the Nav myself (if I could only turn off the voice prompts). It would be nice to customize some of the colors, and in some respects there are things I would improve, but all in all it gets me where I want to go. I use the AVIC feeds to look things up on my iPhone and transfer them to the Nav which works great. Pandora works great, but between the music on my iPhone and XM, I have not used it nearly as much as I thought I would, but I love having it (wife loves it). Sound quality is excellent. Must be the higher voltage pre outs, or just a better processor and cleaner electronics, but it was a remarkably improvement over the Eclipse unit which was what I thought already excellent, and way more flexibility (sometimes too much it seems) in terms of managing the subwoofer and the rest of the soundstage and tone. You have loudness, subwoofer, bass boost and equilizer as well as cutoff frequency control, which is all necessary if you have a strong sub to find the right balance between pop/boom and power versus overwhelming the rest of the sound stage. I prefer to have too much than too little control and I don't struggle to find the right levels. All in all very very happy with the unit and the install. Factory/Stock look with high end advanced features. Highly recommended. If you have specific questions, feel free to hit me up. I've installed a number of systems in my time, however I'm not a professional. I've also had my 996 apart more than a couple of times so very familiar with it. Good luck and lets see some pictures when your done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VBLUE42 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Only annoyances are having to goto the nav screen and press OK before it will index the voice response (why cant I just disable this if my music hasn't changed?) You can. Turn cataloging off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vfjdesign Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Finally, I wish I could easily change the display from day/night for those times where I want to turn on my headlights during the day without dimming my display. Yes I realize that I can turn the brightness up, but I miss the one button convenience I had in my previous unit. If anyone knows how to fix or get around any of these I'm really appreciative of any advice or direction that I might have missed! You can add this to your nav shortcuts it is a 2 button deal, you push the shortcut button on nav and then push the day/night button. I use it all the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beretta Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 You can. Turn cataloging off. Sweet - thank you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beretta Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 You can add this to your nav shortcuts it is a 2 button deal, you push the shortcut button on nav and then push the day/night button. I use it all the time. I didn't see the day/night button as a shortcut menu option....what am I doing wrong? Can you give me some additional direction? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RonS Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 I didn't see the day/night button as a shortcut menu option....what am I doing wrong? Can you give me some additional direction? Yeah, that puzzled me too. The only thing I could find that he might be referring to was to configure Day/Night into the Quick Access menu (see the manual p.160 for Quick Access menu options), which appears on the Nav map. Then it is two presses to toggle between Day and Automatic. The only problem with this is that you must be on the NAV screen. So one more press (Mode) is required. Oh, and add an "OK" press if you hadn't taken the pledge when you 1st started-up. I couldn't see any way to add Day/Night to the main Shortcuts menu. If there is another way, please elaborate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beretta Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Yeah, that puzzled me too. The only thing I could find that he might be referring to was to configure Day/Night into the Quick Access menu (see the manual p.160 for Quick Access menu options), which appears on the Nav map. Then it is two presses to toggle between Day and Automatic. The only problem with this is that you must be on the NAV screen. So one more press (Mode) is required. I couldn't see any way to add Day/Night to the main Shortcuts menu. If there is another way, please elaborate. I'll go play with that and see if I can get it. Thanks again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vfjdesign Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Yeah, that puzzled me too. The only thing I could find that he might be referring to was to configure Day/Night into the Quick Access menu (see the manual p.160 for Quick Access menu options), which appears on the Nav map. Then it is two presses to toggle between Day and Automatic. The only problem with this is that you must be on the NAV screen. So one more press (Mode) is required. Oh, and add an "OK" press if you hadn't taken the pledge when you 1st started-up. I couldn't see any way to add Day/Night to the main Shortcuts menu. If there is another way, please elaborate. Sorry, wrong use of terms....You are correct, it is the quick access menu that I was referring to, and I think it only allows you to have 5 or 6 at a time? so you have to remove one before adding one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beretta Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Sorry, wrong use of terms....You are correct, it is the quick access menu that I was referring to, and I think it only allows you to have 5 or 6 at a time? so you have to remove one before adding one. Found it - and yes, its not the "main menu" its the quick access menu (block of buttons) accessible from the main NAV screen and it works exactly like I was hoping it would. 2 buttons to press is no where near a dealbreaker Now if I could just get rid of that F*c*(^ing CLOCK!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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