You guys are being a bunch of whiny barnacles. $60 for a map upgrade? What's the big deal? Stop bragging about how you're going to illegally download it, we don't want to hear it.

You guys are being a bunch of whiny barnacles. $60 for a map upgrade? What's the big deal? Stop bragging about how you're going to illegally download it, we don't want to hear it.

I just bought the unit. YEah I paid less than 200$ for it. So what. I did not know the thing came with POI's from 2007 Yeah I may just pay for it after all.

You guys are being a bunch of whiny barnacles

+1. Powerful words my friend.

Oh, another one. Has Pioneer fixed the bluetooth problem where the volume is RANDOM. Sometimes a call is blaringly loud, sometimes I cant hear the caller at all, and sometimes the frigging controls for volume don't even show up!! Sometimes the music continues in the background (at full volume) and sometimes not.

IF Pioneer fixed 80% of these problems, hell I would pay the full 120 bucks. I am not a cheapskate nor a thief. Its the not the money thats my problem, its the principle of Pioneer releasing a shoddy broken product and charging for a half assed fix.

And frankly I think its unwise, if not foolish to pay 60 dollars for an unknown fix! We dont even know WHEN it will be released, much less what it will fix.

Personally I could give a rats ass about a map update, notice nothing in my list of complaints deals with maps. All the roads I need are present, and while north up would be nice, that, in my mind is just bad design, but not an actual bug.

I dont think they have done much, if anything, with the apps on the unit. I believe the button/touchscreen response is solely due to the upgraded WinCE. In another thread a user even said he did just the WinCE upgrade and rebooted, and the response time was alot better. I have done both the WinCE and the APL folder, and while the response time is better, the same bugs are still present in the A/V apps, namely when changing presets in the HD interface, or changing Genres in the XM interface, it often skips more than one at a time. For example, I am on P1, and i hit the P.ch > button. Instead of going to P2, it goes to P3, P4, or sometimes even loops all the way back to P1. This is my biggest complaint with the unit and they have not addressed it. They did add the p.ch function to the steering wheel control, so i guess they did do something, but the funny part is that this odd behavior happens with the steering wheel control now too. I used to think it was just a problem with the screen, but it is obviously a bug in the software somewhere. Had Pioneer really "rewrote the entire system from scratch in-house" like they claimed, this bug would not be there. I guess all i can do at this point is email Pioneer and maybe send them a video of this annoyance, and hope that they fix it in the next release.

You guys are being a bunch of whiny barnacles. $60 for a map upgrade? What's the big deal? Stop bragging about how you're going to illegally download it, we don't want to hear it.

Yes we do!

I guess there are quite some ppl here who dont want to send a single euro Pioneers way after seeing how bad support for this unit has been. And considering how much more it costs here in EU compared to the US.

And its not about the map update... its about the 3.0 Firmware update. Fixing the bugs that plague the unit from day one, stick some new maps on and CHARGE ppl again?

No thanks!

-C

i think that pioneer should have made this version 3 firmware separated from the map update. this would cause a better understanding for the people who bought the radio head with the older firmware.

i have no problems to pay for a map update as i do for my yacht charts and the kenwood radio head in my wife's car. at least so you get a choice if you want to update the maps. but the firmware versions 1 & 2 are absolutely bad.

but i DO have a problem to pay for a update what makes my radio head working how it should have been from day 1!

If you want the 3.0 firmware minus the new iGo and updated maps, that is already available and makes the unit much faster. Check the other 3.0 threads. Theres a separate one for US and EU, and it tells you exactly what you need to do.

Post a link please.

For all the helpless people

http://www.avic411.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=25487

I have been monitoring this thread, I am very close to doing it, why the hell cant Pioneer release a simple fix that does not require 3 SD cards and a USB drive and 30 steps?

If you want the 3.0 firmware minus the new iGo and updated maps, that is already available and makes the unit much faster. Check the other 3.0 threads. Theres a separate one for US and EU, and it tells you exactly what you need to do.

i al ready did this and that's not my problem of my write up...

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i al ready did this and that's not my problem of my write up...

OK, and i agree, since Pioneer has the software done and it works on our units without the new iGo and maps, they should release it for free to us so we don't have to find roundabout ways to install it. I just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that the option is there.

I just hought a refurbished f900bt last week and get it tomorrow. I wonder what version I will have?

Wow....... Tacomaboy, you have been here posting for some time and you are almost always a postive contributor (i didnt want to quote your long list of "issues" so I grabbed this shorter post). I know the problems with that model of the Avic-F must be real. Your frustration can be felt in the words, and your posting history lends credibility. I hope that somehow pioneer can correct the problems at least enough to make the units tolerable.

Tacomaboy, I do like pioneer so please allow me an anecdotal story... I order one specific dish from a very high end restaurant in New Orleans. It is my most favorite dish on the planet. Well, one day it was not very good. I weighed the many servings of excellence versus the one poor dish. I decided to the tell server (and chef also) that it was below par, but refused any attempts to "fix" the order..... I ate it and knew full well that the restaurant (pioneer?) would be back to their established level of quality upon my next meal...... we may have to eat this one, but lets not stop visiting the restaurant....

I ordered my copy and noticed when ordering it that there is a small message that stated the update won't ship until August. I think it will be a while before any of us get the actual update.

 

Not surprised. Pioneer won't trick me again! I am waiting till this test is well vetted before even considering trying to torrent it.

Wow....... Tacomaboy, you have been here posting for some time and you are almost always a postive contributor (i didnt want to quote your long list of "issues" so I grabbed this shorter post). I know the problems with that model of the Avic-F must be real. Your frustration can be felt in the words, and your posting history lends credibility. I hope that somehow pioneer can correct the problems at least enough to make the units tolerable.

 

Tacomaboy, I do like pioneer so please allow me an anecdotal story... I order one specific dish from a very high end restaurant in New Orleans. It is my most favorite dish on the planet. Well, one day it was not very good. I weighed the many servings of excellence versus the one poor dish. I decided to the tell server (and chef also) that it was below par, but refused any attempts to "fix" the order..... I ate it and knew full well that the restaurant (pioneer?) would be back to their established level of quality upon my next meal...... we may have to eat this one, but lets not stop visiting the restaurant....

Thats a good metaphor, and I have loved my Pioneer units in the past. I really want this thing to work, but I have to be honest, if my favorite restaurant served me a terrible meal, then at least TRIED to fix it I would understand. But if they refused a long time customer, and then tried to get me to pay to have the ruined meal replaced with another meal (that still might not be good), I guess I am the type to start eating at other restaurants.

Thanks for checking my history, and I have really tried to be positive - I was even the one who found the software speed sensing hack!

I just did the Windoes CE update and the response is much much faster, dare I say acceptable. But that's one item out of a long list. And I what a headache to get it to work! And Pioneer wants to charge for that fix! The bluetooth is still broken, my first phone call after the update locked up after I hung up.

I need to replace the APL folder but my USB connector is hidden and I need a screwdriver to access it. Like I said, I headache. Took over an hour to get all the files.

just copy that APL directory on the Testmode SD card... No USB needed...

i al ready did this and that's not my problem of my write up...

 

OK, and i agree, since Pioneer has the software done and it works on our units without the new iGo and maps, they should release it for free to us so we don't have to find roundabout ways to install it. I just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that the option is there.

Bingo, someone call Pioneer and tell them to do this. Sheesh Pioneer!

just copy that APL directory on the Testmode SD card... No USB needed...

Yeah I know, I just needed to get to work, and didnt have time to copy it to SD card.

Does this work on f500bt ?

just copy that APL directory on the Testmode SD card... No USB needed...

 

Yeah I know, I just needed to get to work, and didnt have time to copy it to SD card.

Is there a sticky on how to do this? just bought a refurn F900bt last week and getting it in a couple of days and wonder what firmware will be on it?

just copy that APL directory on the Testmode SD card... No USB needed...

 

Yeah I know, I just needed to get to work, and didnt have time to copy it to SD card.

 

Is there a sticky on how to do this? just bought a refurn F900bt last week and getting it in a couple of days and wonder what firmware will be on it?

Nothing simple and concise. One may show up soon.