When the WinCE update (Format) only says "Reading 100%" or whatever, there is something wrong with your data on the SD-card you are using. I get this sometimes with SD-cards that I have played around with a little, and the problem does not happen when I make a fresh SD-card with the files needed.

To get to the blue screen, just hold down menu map and eject buttons and then press and release reset, when the blue screen appears you can let go of the three buttons. I push the three buttons with my left thumb then use a pointy object to push and release the reset button.

When you are trying to update WinCE, it is supposed to READ the WinCE data on the card, counting upwards in 5% increments (taking about 20 seconds), then WRITE the WinCE data counting upwards in 5% increments (taking almost a minute?). After that, wait 10 seconds or so until it says "OK to reset unit". If you see all this, then your WinCE update is a success.

Are you able to calibrate the touch panel while you are in test mode? This might help.

Earlier this afternoon, I completely reformat all my 3 SD card and instead loaded the WINCE 3.0 image (3.0 Install Files.zip) and reflash the avic with the new image. Reboot 2nd SD flash into "testmode" and it seems to load fine without having to do any Pioneer firmware upgrade (as posted in this thread). After the clock sync up, I can tap onto the keyboard and that's as far as it goes. I simply cannot "tap tap" on the keyboard to bring it up. I found a keyboard utility from the GPSunderground and modify the mortscript file to execute the program. It does run correctly, again, I cannot "tap tap" to perform keyboard function. I've also look into the Calibration.bin which is in the F90BT backup that I've downloaded, but I'm not sure if WinCE write any config file for the touch screen. Guess, I'm very close to restoring and yet so far off as the touch screen and keyboard somewhat work. All this started after I've updated the splash screen and that's when touch screen quite working. Pioneer has really chosen a terrible platform to develop it's product on, WinCE. I'm sure is a hell lot more stable if they choose embedded Linux instead of MicroSUCKS

When the WinCE update (Format) only says "Reading 100%" or whatever, there is something wrong with your data on the SD-card you are using. I get this sometimes with SD-cards that I have played around with a little, and the problem does not happen when I make a fresh SD-card with the files needed.

 

To get to the blue screen, just hold down menu map and eject buttons and then press and release reset, when the blue screen appears you can let go of the three buttons. I push the three buttons with my left thumb then use a pointy object to push and release the reset button.

 

When you are trying to update WinCE, it is supposed to READ the WinCE data on the card, counting upwards in 5% increments (taking about 20 seconds), then WRITE the WinCE data counting upwards in 5% increments (taking almost a minute?). After that, wait 10 seconds or so until it says "OK to reset unit". If you see all this, then your WinCE update is a success.

Awesome thanks for info, I'm going to try a fresh format off the 2 sd-cards that I have tried and see if I can get past that step. If I can it's on to the next challenge haha.

edit: just tried both sd cards again after doing a full fat32 format on both and neither of them work, still hangs at 100% read...now what?

Now you need to reconsider your source of the upgrade files. Try downloading files from a different location.

To calibrate the touch panel when you are in testmode, go to My Device, Control Panel, Stylus.

To copy the 3.0 files on to My Flash Drive the keyboard is not needed. Just navigate and copy with the stylus using Total Commander.

I'm using the files directly off the pioneer site, the Avic-F90BT Firm Update (filename:avic_f-series_firmware_update_2.006000.zip)

Tried unzipping it multiple times, tried a redownload, tried loading it off different computers, tried 2 different sd cards.

Seems to be that the deck is messed.

Would I be able to load the version 3.0 wince files on or does it have to be for the current version?

Also I recall the very first time i did this I accidently clicked on the wince update (option number 1 in the last menu where you select wince update via sd (format) option) Could this have caused all this trouble?

Yes, you should try the 3.0 WinCE files. If you went through the update(format) option, you wiped your My flash disk, and you need to restore it from a "backup". I am not sure what you mean by accidentally pushing option 1, because that is what you wanted to do in your step 7. "7. Select Update using SD/USB (format) option. This will format your FlashDisk removing any corrupted files on there that prevent the unit from loading." If you go through that step you no longer have a working unit and you need to complete the process by reinstalling all the data.

I suggest that you follow this guide viewtopic.php?f=34&t=25817 and try to upgrade to 3.0 software/maps. You can do the whole upgrade without using the on-screen keyboard (as long as your touch panel is calibrated and/or working). Use Total Commander to copy the data from your SD card to "My Flash Disk".

Yes, you should try the 3.0 WinCE files. If you went through the update(format) option, you wiped your My flash disk, and you need to restore it from a "backup". I am not sure what you mean by accidentally pushing option 1, because that is what you wanted to do in your step 7. "7. Select Update using SD/USB (format) option. This will format your FlashDisk removing any corrupted files on there that prevent the unit from loading." If you go through that step you no longer have a working unit and you need to complete the process by reinstalling all the data.

 

I suggest that you follow this guide viewtopic.php?f=34&t=25817 and try to upgrade to 3.0 software/maps. You can do the whole upgrade without using the on-screen keyboard (as long as your touch panel is calibrated and/or working). Use Total Commander to copy the data from your SD card to "My Flash Disk".

K tried the 3.0 files and same deal, It won't go past the 100% progress screen, I let it sit for 5 minutes other times 30 minutes nothing. I think I have tried it atleast 20 times if not more.

As for accidently pushing option 1 (the sd/mmc update option), technically option 0 is the correct one with the format in brackets.

I followed the guide in that link also noticed a few people with the same issue I was having although there was no response to the problems posted. One guy said he tried multiple times and on the 6th try it worked but the others never got an answer and that means I don't have one either.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that the files are wrong or curropt, or that my multiple SD cards are damaged in some way that it would cause this problem. As stated in that guide it should take within 2-3 minutes and after trying 20 times with different time frames on each I have no idea what I can do from here since this is the first step to getting anything else done.

Here is exactly what I am doing:

1) turning on car

2) pressing all four buttons on unit, this includes reset

3) I don't get a pop from my speakers but this could be due to me turning down the volume to zero last time i used it, so i'm holding the reset button for 5 seconds

4) after release of reset button im still holding the other 3 buttons (menu/map/eject)

5) once blue screen comes up i am releasing all 3

6) then i enter service code (up,up,down,menuu,left,right)

7) i then select update wince option

I push in the sd card into the slot

9) I select wince by sd/mmc (format) option

10) I wait, read progress creeps up to 100% and this is where i get stuck, nothing happens after it reaches 100%

I insert the SD card even before pushing all the buttons. Don´t bother waiting if it already says "Reading 100%", you know that it won´t work when it doesn´t count from 5% reading.

I wonder if the unit needs extra power or something to do the WinCE update format?

Try this:

-insert the card

-press reset button for 30 seconds, then do the push all buttons procedure

I feel for you, man, it sounds really frustrating what you are going through!

Sorry, I didn´t see you said it stopped after creeping up to 100% reading. This leads me to believe that there might be something wrong with your "My Flash Disk", since the unit fails to write. Maybe you have tried unmounting and mounting and partitioning (I´ve never done this) and you might have done something wrong?

This is the first time I'm ever touching the deck aside from the 2.006 update and a background change.

Aside from that the unit has been running for over a year flawlessly this just happened without any warning or without doing anything. Last thing I remember doing on it was switching to AM radio to hear a traffic report and turning the car off, on the next start this begun.

very frustrating indeed

Well I tried everything I could think of still no luck, even borrowed a friends SD card which had the WinCE files on it that he used and no luck so I'm pulling the deck and sending it in.

Does anyone know if the x910BT uses the same wiring harness as the F90BT? If so I'm just going to go buy one of them while this one's away for warranty repair.

Thank you so much for this fix, it helped and WORKED !

I was having the restart problem after the splash screen

problem is gone !

anyone still tying to use this procedure feel free to ask me via PM

I'm having the reboot problem as of 2 weeks ago. Stops for some reason when unplugging the gps. I tried another antenna just in case the wire was pinched with the same issue still happening. Is this fix for that?

Would appreicate some info in the following questions before I give this a shot:

1. Will the files for the F90BT work on a F900BT? I.e. any change in functionality?

2. Are the files lined to in the OP country speficic? I'm in Australia and won't want to end up with a US unit.

3. How does this work with firmware updated etc? Do they need to be reapplied after restoring?

I updated my F90BT last night, and it seemed like it worked properly, however when on start up, My unit says "Start up in Progress Please Wait" and it wont ever go past this. I'm not sure what my next step is? I cant get to "Settings" I also tried to reset and still get the same screen. I am new to this, however savvy enough to figure it out, if I can get some direction. Any help would be appreciated

How do you get into the first screen where you do the file loading... says something about holding the reset button but not sure which one he means. I've tried various combos with no luck.

Nevermind Thought that was an indicator light for something I never used...

OK... back to a problem. I get the wince to boot up fine in test mode now, but it won't recognize the 2 gig usb stick I formatted to fat32 and loaded with the files for the transfer. So now I'm stuck again... try another stick maybe? Anyone have a brand that they know works?

Yay! Got it up and running again... didn't have a usb stick that it would recognize so I ended up just making a new folder on the test mode sd card and after it booted up copied the files from that folder over and it seems happy no more reboot with the gps plugged in... now to decide whether or not to upgrade to 3.0 lol

Hello.

I am getting the same problem as described in this post.

I would like to follow these instructions to fix my device. I work with IT so should not have a problem doing this.

the only problem I have is that I cannot find a backup of the UK version of the f900bt.

Would someone please be able to tell me where I can get this backup from so I can try and fix my device.

Many Thanks in advance.

I am also having the constant rebooting problem with the f90bt. I ran through the steps, but when i try to load testmode 2.3, the screen turns blank/black in 2-3 seconds. i put AVIC-F90BT Firmware Update 2.0080 on the wince sd card but it doesn't do anything different. Can someone help me plz?

I am also having the constant rebooting problem with the f90bt. I ran through the steps, but when i try to load testmode 2.3, the screen turns blank/black in 2-3 seconds. i put AVIC-F90BT Firmware Update 2.0080 on the wince sd card but it doesn't do anything different. Can someone help me plz?

brian

Iondah - I've got a US unit which I use in Aus.

Looking at other threads, it appears both units are physically the same and someone has done a file compare and they are identical.

I've upgraded my F700BT to the x910BT firmware 3.0.xxx - works a treat and has made the unit properly usable for the first time.

If you need the files please PM me.

Wanted to say "thanks" - recovered a dead F900BT today. Pioneer really should ship these things with a "blow away and restore" SD.

Please can someone advise me on if I need a different restore file for UK units (due to the UK maps for the Navigation)?

Many Thanks

Graham