They are saying July up here in Canada

That's about right for the map upgrade for the 110 which should include the 120 upgrade as well.

Woah, gotta love that leak.

 

I'm LOVING the new left side audio interface...

 

Yea me too. its certainly an improvement on the current AV screen.

I'm wondering if we'll get that with the upgrade... Or if even the 120BT will get that...

It would be bad if people upgraded, and turned around and ended up not liking it... How would you downgrade if that was the case? I could see them adding the Pandora and Sphere though....

I dunno... hopefully it'll be better... and if it is better, then hopefully they'll include it in the update...

I do know that about my only complaint with this unit is the lack of Vehicle Dynamics screen, and the hoops you have to jump through to change view modes(2D,3D, rear View)... Which was a 2 button press in the older Z's... now it's like a 4-5 button press....

If it could at least be set in the shortcuts... that would rock

We are going to get all of that stuff with the upgrade as it is detailed in the manual. And yes, you can add map view mode as a shortcut with the new software.

MSN Direct will probably be picked up and purchased by some other company. I would not worry about this.

Woah, gotta love that leak.

 

I'm LOVING the new left side audio interface...

 

Yea me too. its certainly an improvement on the current AV screen.

 

I'm wondering if we'll get that with the upgrade... Or if even the 120BT will get that...

It would be bad if people upgraded, and turned around and ended up not liking it... How would you downgrade if that was the case? I could see them adding the Pandora and Sphere though....

 

I dunno... hopefully it'll be better... and if it is better, then hopefully they'll include it in the update...

I do know that about my only complaint with this unit is the lack of Vehicle Dynamics screen, and the hoops you have to jump through to change view modes(2D,3D, rear View)... Which was a 2 button press in the older Z's... now it's like a 4-5 button press....

 

If it could at least be set in the shortcuts... that would rock

They need to change the AM/FM presets so they are large buttons. This will make it easier to change a station while driving. Now it is in list format which only displays I believe 7 presets in a list of narrow graphic entries that are difficult to select. There is so much wated realestate on the screen. Spread out the buttons; you will have room for 20 presets on one screen and buttons that are easier to press.

We are going to get all of that stuff with the upgrade as it is detailed in the manual. And yes, you can add map view mode as a shortcut with the new software.

What page do you see this on? I looked through the Z120 manual and P.160 is where all the shortcut options are. I don't see map view listed. I hope for all our sake that it IS an option. Though, I still can't get over the lack of finding POI on route or off exits.

Go back and look on one of the CES videos. There is a quick shot of one of the map view icons in the short cut screen.

For what it's worth our Pioneer rep said changes are just going to be software and both new units will probably ship in May (X920 and Z120).

For what it's worth our Pioneer rep said changes are just going to be software and both new units will probably ship in May (X920 and Z120).

So there won't be a faster processor in the new one?

That would definitely confirm the new software loaded onto the Z110 will be just as fast and make it identical to the Z120.

As far as new hardware (this is only speculation) I do not think they will change it, for the reason of cost. Citing the Z1 - Z3 as an example the hardware used throughout the production of these models was identical. I am holding out for the release of the AVIC-Z120BT, so I can see if there is a possibility of upgrade. I purchased a used Z1 unit 6 months after they came out and have been successful in upgrading it, and a few others from friends. I am really looking forward to the pandora upgrade and the possibility of using my iPhone with my in dash Nav unit, to play video along with other things.

There will be a 120 upgrade for the 110.

As far as new hardware (this is only speculation) I do not think they will change it, for the reason of cost. Citing the Z1 - Z3 as an example the hardware used throughout the production of these models was identical. I am holding out for the release of the AVIC-Z120BT, so I can see if there is a possibility of upgrade. I purchased a used Z1 unit 6 months after they came out and have been successful in upgrading it, and a few others from friends. I am really looking forward to the pandora upgrade and the possibility of using my iPhone with my in dash Nav unit, to play video along with other things.

I think Pandora is what leaning me towards waiting to see if the Z110 can be turned into a Z120 or not, in 100% of the way, performance and all. If these are coming out in May, I can wait till then to see if people have had success upgrading the z110. I won't be doing any stereo installs i the freezing cold of winter anyways

I had an avic N1 and im pretty sure there were hardware changes between the N1 to N2 and N3 and total revamp for N4. I guess thats whats making me slightly skeptical of 100% identical hardware. 95% identical I would believe.

There will be a 120 upgrade for the 110.

Good to know but I do not want to have to pay extra for it, I hope there is a process that will allow us to update from the 110 to the 120 without having to pay Pioneer or anyone else a fee. Only then would I buy a 110 and upgrade it. If I have to pay to upgrade a 110 to a 120 then ill just buy a 120.

For what it's worth our Pioneer rep said changes are just going to be software and both new units will probably ship in May (X920 and Z120).

 

So there won't be a faster processor in the new one?

 

That would definitely confirm the new software loaded onto the Z110 will be just as fast and make it identical to the Z120.

The Z110 already has the fastest processor Pioneer has ever put into a nav. i wouldnt see a reason to upgrade the processor at this point

also, just so everyone knows, the Pandora feature on the new navs will only work with an iPhone. When i first heard about it I assumed it would work with any smartphone with the Pandora app and send it via bluetooth. however, unless I am mistaken, it only works with the iPhone when the iPhone is plugged into the ipod adapter.

Well, I'll put in my last 2c that I heard from the local Pioneer rep through my installer (he happened to be visiting when I was there a week or so back). I posed the question, 'Will the 110 be upgradeable to the 120 software?' Answer: "Yes" I then asked, 'Will the 110 be identical to the 120 then in this instance?' Answer: Definitely not (without any delay I might add), it will have more ram memory and hence faster. He indicated it would turn on faster but could say definitely. I did pose that the extra software the 120 had would work better on the 120 than the 110 (ie. faster/smoother) and he agreed 100%. Estimated arrival times for this store (my installer in Canada) was said to be late April for the 920BT and late July for the Z120BT. With this info I will be waiting until I see the 920BT in action for myself and then make my decision. I think I can wait at least that long before I shell out way too much money on another HU

As far as new hardware (this is only speculation) I do not think they will change it, for the reason of cost. Citing the Z1 - Z3 as an example the hardware used throughout the production of these models was identical. I am holding out for the release of the AVIC-Z120BT, so I can see if there is a possibility of upgrade. I purchased a used Z1 unit 6 months after they came out and have been successful in upgrading it, and a few others from friends. I am really looking forward to the pandora upgrade and the possibility of using my iPhone with my in dash Nav unit, to play video along with other things.

 

I think Pandora is what leaning me towards waiting to see if the Z110 can be turned into a Z120 or not, in 100% of the way, performance and all. If these are coming out in May, I can wait till then to see if people have had success upgrading the z110. I won't be doing any stereo installs i the freezing cold of winter anyways

We already know its going to happen.

There will be a 120 upgrade for the 110.

 

Good to know but I do not want to have to pay extra for it, I hope there is a process that will allow us to update from the 110 to the 120 without having to pay Pioneer or anyone else a fee. Only then would I buy a 110 and upgrade it. If I have to pay to upgrade a 110 to a 120 then ill just buy a 120.

You will pay a lot less by getting the 110 then getting the upgrade. And you will have to pay for it.

also, just so everyone knows, the Pandora feature on the new navs will only work with an iPhone. When i first heard about it I assumed it would work with any smartphone with the Pandora app and send it via bluetooth. however, unless I am mistaken, it only works with the iPhone when the iPhone is plugged into the ipod adapter.

That is correct.

Well, I'll put in my last 2c that I heard from the local Pioneer rep through my installer (he happened to be visiting when I was there a week or so back). I posed the question, 'Will the 110 be upgradeable to the 120 software?' Answer: "Yes" I then asked, 'Will the 110 be identical to the 120 then in this instance?' Answer: Definitely not (without any delay I might add), it will have more ram memory and hence faster. He indicated it would turn on faster but could say definitely. I did pose that the extra software the 120 had would work better on the 120 than the 110 (ie. faster/smoother) and he agreed 100%.

Just keep in mind there are reasons to believe that will NOT be the case. The biggest reason for a sales rep to tell you that is to push sales and hold price. Compare the price that 110s are going for right now as oppose to what the 120 is going to start at. 110s are going for about 900+ right now and the 120 is going to list for about the same price as the 110 did when it was released, 1599.99. Getting a 110 for 900 and the upgrade for 200 puts you at 1100. Far less then the 120 for the same unit after the software upgrade. There may be a hardware change in the 120 but I don't believe it will be significant enough to justify the extra expense for the 120.

From what I've been told, the hardware in the Z120 is identical to the Z110.

I have the same thoughts... it should be the same hardware...

The X has less features than the current Z..... Why would they up the memory... and if they used a different processor, then they would have to completely re-compile the firmware... which would leave us 110 users without upgrades...

I'm willing to bet that there will be no change in hardware... I actually believe that Pioneer learned their lesson with the F series, and beef'ed this unit up so that hardware would not be an issue.... as well as reason why they went back to Windows Automotive, instead of a full out CE/Mobile OS...(keep cost down)

It would be cool if someone could find the 120 service manual.... that should spell out enough to determine if the HW has changed...

There will be a 120 upgrade for the 110.

 

Good to know but I do not want to have to pay extra for it, I hope there is a process that will allow us to update from the 110 to the 120 without having to pay Pioneer or anyone else a fee. Only then would I buy a 110 and upgrade it. If I have to pay to upgrade a 110 to a 120 then ill just buy a 120.

 

 

You will pay a lot less by getting the 110 then getting the upgrade. And you will have to pay for it.

There is also this to consider.... You got up until March 31'st to decide...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/ ... ion+Rebate

Sweet jesus, just found this thread. Can't wait to upgrade my 110 with this software.

Hopefully this firmware will fix my 110 from hard locking every other day or so.

Anyone know if the new firmware is still based on Windows CE or is it something else now?