did they say anything about just the firmware update without the maps?

Yeah, it's not going to happen.

now that sucks, guess i'll have to wait til someone can hack it then,

i remember having to put a serial number when getting my msn trial. it then uses secret gps satellites to confirm authentication. its probably done the same way

Huh?!

I will definitely be interested in a group buy in if i knew what a group buy in was lol

i assume a number of people but it at a lower discount or have i got it all wrong

I will definitely be interested in a group buy in if i knew what a group buy in was lol

 

i assume a number of people but it at a lower discount or have i got it all wrong

Guys, the 3.0 Map/Firmware Update has a security code that is linked to the serial number of your unit. There will be no group buys or downloads.

 

Pioneer is going to have an introductory special where the price will be around $70 soon.

No group buy, unfortunately. And yeah, thats what it is, a bunch of people put in the money to buy one copy.

Well I hope it's available for download as well as SD card. I hate waiting for ANYTHING.

Well I hope it's available for download as well as SD card. I hate waiting for ANYTHING.

No, it's SD only.

did they say anything about just the firmware update without the maps?

Yeah, it's not going to happen.

It's nice to know that I have to pay more for bugs that Pioneer should have fixed prior to shipment. I paid $900 for my F90BT when it came out and its everything but "Premier" equipment.

On a side note... The iPod preouts have gone to shit and the guy at Al-Eds told me he found this issue before after I described what happens. He said I would have to send it in to Pioneer for a replacement. I wonder if I should wait to see if the replacement will come with 3.0 or not.

will i lose all gps favorites when updating?? or any other data?

will i lose all gps favorites when updating?? or any other data?

i would think so as everything will be wiped out

I have been told from pioneer customer service that this is only a map update and not firmware. here is the emails from me to pioneer customer service

--Original Message--> From: [email protected]> Date: 06/16/09> To: [email protected]> Subject: Warranty and Service Issues|B00002|3027402290[#1253893]> > FirstName:thomas> LastName:miller> Email:[email protected]> Inquiry Type:Warranty and Service Issues> lstPublishers:0002> lstTitles:B00002-Car Products-Navigation> Inquiry:I have just recently learned about plans to release a 3.0 update for the avic f90bt , I just purchased my f90bt not even a month ago, I heard there was going to be a charge for this update , I was wandering if this is true, and if it is I dont think that is very business like to charge someone that just bought your product a month ago,If i would have known you were discontiueing the f90bt I would have waited on the replacement, > Signed just a little frustrated > TOM MILLER

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:40:20 -0700> From: [email protected]> Subject: RE:Warranty and Service Issues|B00002|3027402290 [#1253893]> To: [email protected]> > > > Hi Mr. Miller,> > The 3.0 is a map upgrade and that is why there is a charge involved. > > > Thank You,> > Masumi> Customer Service Representative

So there isn't any software upgrade to the system? If not I dont need it I am happy with the maps.

That is correct,it is a map upgrade. Any update such as firmware update, Pioneer does not charge. If you have any questions, please contact our Navigation product support-800 421 1404 and push option 2, then 4-they can go over any op and hook up qu you have. Thank You, MasumiCustomer Service Representative --Original Message--From: [email protected]: 06/17/09To: [email protected]: RE: Warranty and Service Issues|B00002|3027402290 [#1253893]

I have been told from pioneer customer service that this is only a map update and not firmware. here is the emails from me to pioneer customer service

 

 

--Original Message--> From: [email protected]> Date: 06/16/09> To: [email protected]> Subject: Warranty and Service Issues|B00002|3027402290[#1253893]> > FirstName:thomas> LastName:miller> Email:[email protected]> Inquiry Type:Warranty and Service Issues> lstPublishers:0002> lstTitles:B00002-Car Products-Navigation> Inquiry:I have just recently learned about plans to release a 3.0 update for the avic f90bt , I just purchased my f90bt not even a month ago, I heard there was going to be a charge for this update , I was wandering if this is true, and if it is I dont think that is very business like to charge someone that just bought your product a month ago,If i would have known you were discontiueing the f90bt I would have waited on the replacement, > Signed just a little frustrated > TOM MILLER

 

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:40:20 -0700> From: [email protected]> Subject: RE:Warranty and Service Issues|B00002|3027402290 [#1253893]> To: [email protected]> > > > Hi Mr. Miller,> > The 3.0 is a map upgrade and that is why there is a charge involved. > > > Thank You,> > Masumi> Customer Service Representative

 

 

So there isn't any software upgrade to the system? If not I dont need it I am happy with the maps.

 

That is correct,it is a map upgrade. Any update such as firmware update, Pioneer does not charge. If you have any questions, please contact our Navigation product support-800 421 1404 and push option 2, then 4-they can go over any op and hook up qu you have. Thank You, MasumiCustomer Service Representative --Original Message--From: [email protected]: 06/17/09To: [email protected]: RE: Warranty and Service Issues|B00002|3027402290 [#1253893]

i don't think that those guys know what they're talking about as JASON himself was able to find this out when he was at the roadshow

I saw what jason had posted also, It makes you wander what the heck is going on with pioneer or atleast their customer service

so this thing is going to do what with a serial number?

it looks like pioneer is going to sell these at brick and mortar stores only. you cant tell me these guys(best buy and such) are going to be doing anything to the SD card to make it only work with your serial number.

Also my 700bt doesnt dial out or anything so there is no way pioneer is going to know if i bought the firmware or used someone elses. its not going to be like verifying my copy of windows.

i predict whatever security they build in gets hacked and uploaded to the web pretty quick.

or you can just buy it off ebay for $10.

not that i condone any of this... but paying for firmware upgrades/bug fixes is lame

so this thing is going to do what with a serial number?

 

it looks like pioneer is going to sell these at brick and mortar stores only. you cant tell me these guys(best buy and such) are going to be doing anything to the SD card to make it only work with your serial number.

 

Also my 700bt doesnt dial out or anything so there is no way pioneer is going to know if i bought the firmware or used someone elses. its not going to be like verifying my copy of windows.

 

i predict whatever security they build in gets hacked and uploaded to the web pretty quick.

 

or you can just buy it off ebay for $10.

 

not that i condone any of this... but paying for firmware upgrades/bug fixes is lame

it is lame, and also stupid

Has anyone actually got their hands on this update. I search and it only shows I can buy it as bestbuy. I'll swing by tomorrow but i doubt they will have it.

Misinformation at it's best...3.0 is a map and firmware update! No one is going to have it for at least a few more weeks.

so this thing is going to do what with a serial number?

it looks like pioneer is going to sell these at brick and mortar stores only. you cant tell me these guys(best buy and such) are going to be doing anything to the SD card to make it only work with your serial number.

Also my 700bt doesnt dial out or anything so there is no way pioneer is going to know if i bought the firmware or used someone elses. its not going to be like verifying my copy of windows.

i predict whatever security they build in gets hacked and uploaded to the web pretty quick.

or you can just buy it off ebay for $10.

not that i condone any of this... but paying for firmware upgrades/bug fixes is lame

There will be a page on Pioneer's website. You will give it your info and serial number, and it generates an activation code for YOUR unit. Also, your not paying for bug fixes, your paying for the 2009 map licensing fee.

so this thing is going to do what with a serial number?

it looks like pioneer is going to sell these at brick and mortar stores only. you cant tell me these guys(best buy and such) are going to be doing anything to the SD card to make it only work with your serial number.

Also my 700bt doesnt dial out or anything so there is no way pioneer is going to know if i bought the firmware or used someone elses. its not going to be like verifying my copy of windows.

i predict whatever security they build in gets hacked and uploaded to the web pretty quick.

or you can just buy it off ebay for $10.

not that i condone any of this... but paying for firmware upgrades/bug fixes is lame

There will be a page on Pioneer's website. You will give it your info and serial number, and it generates an activation code for YOUR unit.

i really wish it could be bypassed

Jason, will it be downloadable? Thanks!

Jason, will it be downloadable? Thanks!

no, check a couple post up

Jason, will it be downloadable? Thanks!

 

no, check a couple post up

Not seeing anything?

at $70 im in, luckily i was a late f90bt adopter and got it pretty cheap. i might wait for some real world reviews first though

Any chance the interface is revised to look like the new X and Z units on Pioneers website?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/ ... n=overview

At $70 bucks I am in, but I am not ready for anymore disappointment with Pioneer, after my D3 and now the F700BT, I am ready to try something different, they are 90% there, but it seems they dont like to finish their products before they sell them. avic411 has helped a lot but really they are selling unfinished products, and now we have to pay for bugfixes, I know the maps are included, but I just need the bug fixes. at 130$ I think I will just save my money and buy something else.

Now that we know we have to buy this, where are we supposed to get it? It does not seem like Pioneer has it available directly through them so are we going to have to get it via dealer networks? I think someone needs to get a hold of this and find out what kind or room we have with modding and what exactly has gotten better. It would suck if testmode, ie mods, are no more with 3.0