Pulp_Fiction Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 [quote name="docluv01"]Any luck guys? im tryign to locate an xbox so i can try the xbox trick...[/quote] Xbox trick shouldn't work. At this point until I find a way to retrieve the existing password from a drive that is unlocked I'm not going to work that hard on opening it for just a one time thing. The Z1 appears to relock the drive every time since it locked a previously unlocked drive by just installing it for a minute. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ducatiboy Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Actually all xboxes lock and unlock drives on the fly like that. And if you hack an xbox, you can use the new bios you hacked into your xbox to lock and unlock hard drives at will. It might work. I don't know if there is a password that has to be cracked (at least if there is the xbox programs used to lock and unlock drives don't seem to need them). The xbox thing might work. I'm still too chicken to try it with my Z1. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chuckzul Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 [quote name="Pulp_Fiction"] [quote name="docluv01"]Any luck guys? im tryign to locate an xbox so i can try the xbox trick...[/quote] Xbox trick shouldn't work. At this point until I find a way to retrieve the existing password from a drive that is unlocked I'm not going to work that hard on opening it for just a one time thing. The Z1 appears to relock the drive every time since it locked a previously unlocked drive by just installing it for a minute.[/quote] I work for a large data storage manufacturer in the mid west and we do the same thing to serial ata (sata) drives. We apply a "signature" to the drive and it is married to that particular unit. I don't know about Pioneer, but you can't simply unlock one of our sata drives. You actually need a special file to go out there and do it for you. Unfotunately, when customers do that, they automatically void their warranty and we charge them a butt load to unlock their drive. Food for thought if you have to go back to Pioneer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ducatiboy Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 [quote name="Chuckzul"] I work for a large data storage manufacturer in the mid west and we do the same thing to serial ata (sata) drives. We apply a "signature" to the drive and it is married to that particular unit. I don't know about Pioneer, but you can't simply unlock one of our sata drives. You actually need a special file to go out there and do it for you. Unfotunately, when customers do that, they automatically void their warranty and we charge them a butt load to unlock their drive. Food for thought if you have to go back to Pioneer.[/quote] very interesting. Thanks for the info. But is the locking the same for SATA as it is for ATA. The drives we are using is are ATA. And the xbox bios's can lock and unlock with ease. Maybe the new SATA drives are harder to lock and unlock. Do you have any experiance with ATA drive locking as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pulp_Fiction Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 [quote name="ducatiboy"] [quote name="Chuckzul"] I work for a large data storage manufacturer in the mid west and we do the same thing to serial ata (sata) drives. We apply a "signature" to the drive and it is married to that particular unit. I don't know about Pioneer, but you can't simply unlock one of our sata drives. You actually need a special file to go out there and do it for you. Unfotunately, when customers do that, they automatically void their warranty and we charge them a butt load to unlock their drive. Food for thought if you have to go back to Pioneer.[/quote] very interesting. Thanks for the info. But is the locking the same for SATA as it is for ATA. The drives we are using is are ATA. And the xbox bios's can lock and unlock with ease. Maybe the new SATA drives are harder to lock and unlock. Do you have any experiance with ATA drive locking as well?[/quote] My understanding of the xbox locking and unlocking is the software used decyphers or sniffs what the password is while the xbox is performing the unlock. Since each xbox has a different password based on the serial number of the unit discovering the formula or a method to sniff the password is all they had to do. It does not use a univeral solution to break into the drive. Since I now have a Z1 locked drive i have no issues with loading it into my xbox and seeing what it will do with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charliex Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 yeah the xbox has the serial in the eeprom. SATA is still basically ATA the transmission is the main difference. If i had a Z1 i'd open up the Z1 , boot it up next to a PC and swap the cable after its booted and unlocked the drive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
linuxkidd Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 [quote name="charliex"] i'd open up the Z1 , boot it up next to a PC and swap the cable after its booted and unlocked the drive.[/quote] Bingo... That's the only way your going to get into the drive... The only other problem is that the drives power is built into the main ribbon cable connector ... ( if it's a laptop HD, which I'm certain it is.. ). So, you'd actually have to modify some sort of cable adapter / power splitter to be able to keep power on the drive during the whole process... LK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phiberoptik Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 im going to see if i can find a drivelock cracker of some sort burned 9 cds worth of mp3s into cd format only to have the z1 kick me back a recording error......... gotta find a way to load mp3s directly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bram Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 The Z1 runs Microsoft Windows Automotive, which is based on Windows CE.NET. See: [url=http://www.cnet.com/4831-11405_1-6413238.html]http://www.cnet.com/4831-11405_1-6413238.html[/url] [url=http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/windowsautomotive/default.mspx]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedd ... fault.mspx[/url] [url=http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/jan06/01-05InfotainmentExperiencesPR.mspx]http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pres ... cesPR.mspx[/url] I don't know anything about the drive format (I don't even have a unit yet), but this page: [url=http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/windowsautomotive/become.mspx]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedd ... ecome.mspx[/url] includes info for developers looking to write apps for MWA. Presumably someone could download CE.NET (plus any special MWA SDKs) to gain access to the Z1 hard drive (and maybe write some add-on apps). I guess you'd still need to get past the ATA lock, unless it's a documented part of MWA/CE.NET. Hope this helps, Bram Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gs300ny Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Hi to every body i'm new member just about to install the z1 with bluetooth, nav xm, just fund thi fotum last night you did great job with the site and great info about hacking the the device after the install i will post some pic :wink: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
06PSDDually Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Anything new on this? Would love to just load 15-20 gigs of mp3s and maybe some videos on the hdd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maxse Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 yea this definitely needs to be cracked! It sucks that we can only rip mp3s from cds and we dont even know thebitrate. IT would make much more sense to just use those 10 gigs how we want! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
palacios Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 [quote name="06PSDDually"]Would love to just load 15-20 gigs of mp3s and maybe some videos on the hdd[/quote]That's funny considering that we only have 10GB to work with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
edrock200 Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 [quote name="palacios"] [quote name="06PSDDually"]Would love to just load 15-20 gigs of mp3s and maybe some videos on the hdd[/quote]That's funny considering that we only have 10GB to work with.[/quote] Unless you migrated the existing data to a larger HD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
docluv01 Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 has anyone tried the xbox trick? i dont have an xbox, otherwise id try it.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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