skro Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Agreed. According to this thread, it seems that the update will be free (without maps). I think this is fair. My thought is that 20 years ago, a company had to get things exactly right when they released a product. Now, they can release it half-baked knowing that they'll be able to "fix" it soon and make money off sales while "fixing" it. This isn't anything unique with Pioneer. Take video game consoles....5-10 years ago, any game released had very few bugs. Now that consoles are connected to the internet, we constantly get updates/fixes (content that wasn't ready in time for the release, bug fixes, etc.). It isn't fair to merely blame the customer for wanting free updates. The electronics industry as a whole has adopted the model of being OK with releasing "nearly final" product. That said, my 3rd F500BT (yes, 3rd, the first 2 were defective) works flawlessly and is very responsive. I'm happy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VBLUE42 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 The electronics industry as a whole has adopted the model of being OK with releasing "nearly final" product. Yea I think you can thank Microsoft for setting that standard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cfdezg Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Maybe F-Series 3.0 is already emboddied in new F9110BT alredy announced by Piooner UK with VW/Skoda/Seat form factor. If you check the image there are slights changes on the pic announced. [attachment=0]avic-f9110bt.jpg[/attachment] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gaia Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 The newer iGo maps support 3d city landscapes.. This image suggests this is not the case. So firmware.. maybe, but maps not. Also, here is the same screenshot from a F500, Found in the 2008 Europe navigation brochure : Not quite the same though, it's taken from the other side. The image used in the press release probebly has been altered. In the 2008 brochure image you can see it's taken using the Demo modus... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etienne22 Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Agreed. According to this thread, it seems that the update will be free (without maps). I think this is fair. I still wonder if there will be any update to 3.0.... Pioneer support say they know nothing about it And if there is a 3.0 update, the question is ...when?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timg Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 I would really love to see iGo 8.3+ in the next update. I have 8.3.1 on my Nokia 500 and it's a good improvement over 8.0. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikeinnj Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 I would KILL for that F9110BT. That would fit PERFECTLY in my 07 Jetta. God knows they will never bring it stateside . I can't find a decent double din dash kit that really matches the rest of the softtouch plastics on the dash. I've even paid $80 for ones from Europe, but the fitment was crap. This looks absolutely awesome if I could ever get my hands on one. Who knows, maybe Pioneer is going to announce a line of factory-fit models for the US, similar to the ones at Crutchfield, where they have one for GM, one for Chrysler, one for Toyotas, Ford etc. I could maybe see that happening as many car manufacturers are using pretty much the same radio openings in all their new lineups. God that would be awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EnochLight Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 The newer iGo maps support 3d city landscapes.. This image suggests this is not the case. So firmware.. maybe, but maps not. The one in both yours and cfdezg's posts appear to support 3d city landscapes - that building is a 3d icon in both posts if I'm not mistaken. Also, the map display looks updated/much better in cfdezg's post. The time in OS 2.0's stock display - and in your example - is horrendous. cfdezg's example also has a nicer three dimensional look to the path arrows. Perhaps this is a preview of what the new firmware map update will look like afterall? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BorisM Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 The one in both yours and cfdezg's posts appear to support 3d city landscapes - that building is a 3d icon in both posts if I'm not mistaken. Also, the map display looks updated/much better in cfdezg's post. The time in OS 2.0's stock display - and in your example - is horrendous. cfdezg's example also has a nicer three dimensional look to the path arrows. Perhaps this is a preview of what the new firmware map update will look like afterall? Nothing that some skin editing couldn't fix even in current version. 8.3 does add some features (and could be lighter/faster) but visual-wise it looks pretty much exactly the same as 8.0, except for displaying road signs, like Navigon... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gruvncubn Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Maybe F-Series 3.0 is already emboddied in new F9110BT alredy announced by Piooner UK with VW/Skoda/Seat form factor. If you check the image there are slights changes on the pic announced. [attachment=0]avic-f9110bt.jpg[/attachment] In my opinion I think the F9110bt is a waste of space... all Pioneer did was re-package the F900 with a different bezel. If this is going to be a VW factory option I would want it to be at least 7" or 8" screen, it's not like they don't have the room. If I was buying a new VW Jetta or JTI I would get the standard Nav unit, but that me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zinner Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Bug Fixes and software updates should be free of charge. Maps updates should cost money. They should be separate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mmolesky Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Bug Fixes and software updates should be free of charge. Maps updates should cost money. They should be separate. Bug fixes should be free BUT, any update that offers new features is worthy of a price tag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wrathernaut Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Bug Fixes and software updates should be free of charge. Maps updates should cost money. They should be separate. Bug fixes should be free BUT, any update that offers new features is worthy of a price tag. If the bug fixes and new features are bound, it should be free. If they are separate, I can justify charging for new features. I will not pay for functionality that was advertised and not delivered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etienne22 Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 When will the update come out, Juin, july, august I find nothing about it on the internet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bullseye1977 Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I hope it will use 8.3 IGO when it comes out. The TMC function we use in europe is horrible. You cannot see what traffic is on your route so you can choose re guidense or not. All you can see is teh entire list and the ones that are on you route are in the top position. only knowing your route you know wich traffic jams are ahead on you route. If you not know with your destination you have no glue if you have trafic jams. In 8.3 you will see all that information on your screen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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